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Hi,

We bought AL680, after much much consideration. We would strongly recommend for it if you are looking for undersink mounting with Alkaine ION and yet simple to use but not the most expensive. After much talking to the promoter and read up in internet we found out that the country CHINA is actually going to tie down a package with the CLEANSUI for their water filtration system. Therefore we believe since CHINA can tie down a MAJOR package for their system. I believe their products deserve a credit and trust in their system.

Anyway this brand CLEANSUI is everywhere in singapore... like BEST DENKI, TANG, TAKA, CAREFOUR (New Place) ... which double assure me that even these BIG shopping areas DARE to bring in and consign so many stock and so deserve my confirmation to purchase it.

Kemp only place selling it is at Tanjong pagar while KYK is a Jalan Bukit merah... 5,10,20years down the road.... I not sure if this two company will still be around or maybe they moved or close down. While btbtrading their CLEANSUI is everywhere even though their STORE house is at WOODLAND.

Anyway we visited their WOODLAND store house and was told that their sale person and in-charge are send to JAPAN for some further training and meeting for this CLEANSUI products. We purposely askied a few of the saleman from Best Denki and even Taka & Tangs. They too inform us that the main sale person in-charge is in JAPAN. Which mean this product is really from JAPAN and not just any other products that any small company can bring in to singapore to market it.

The sale person in BEST DENKI and Taka even inform us honesty that their commission is very very little that is why they don't really want to promote it unless someone really want to buy it or is a Japanese. So the price is not inflated but at least quite standard @ a premium COST

So... for our final conclusion....

CLEANSUI~!

AL680

Hi Goobii,

Just went to Kemp Trading, asked about the cleansui ionizer, apparently cleansui has no undersink ionizer. It is basically using minerals and ceramic stones to produce the weak ionization. The big box u see is a transformer or a pump to bring up the water to the top or something. If its still an ionizer, the system is using 3 plates which is already obsolete.

Please check if the system is using plates to give u the ionizations, if not its not an ionizer which they claimed to be. If its true do post some pics so everyone can have a look and understand it better. Thanks

The company btbtrading is just a supplier and is just a few years in the market, while similar can be said of H20 Life source., Kemp trading has been around for 21 years. Supplying the latest and functioning system.

Do let us how u installed the system through pictures.... thanks! ;)

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Do let us how u installed the system through pictures.... thanks! ;)

Sure...

Too bad that their Jupiter Delphi is toooo expensive and also not user friendly and not practical. Else my wife would had chosen that instead.

This is the youtube installation & how to use for Jupiter Delphi

http://shop.snyderhealth.com/jupiter_delphi_installation.php

Anyway anyone who is interested with under mount Alkaline ION sink can test yourself and choose between Jupiter Delphi or Cleansui AL680 both is about $2k but Jupiter Delphi is much much more expensive & is made in korea.

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Sure...

Too bad that their Jupiter Delphi is toooo expensive and also not user friendly and not practical. Else my wife would had chosen that instead.

This is the youtube installation & how to use for Jupiter Delphi

http://shop.snyderhealth.com/jupiter_delphi_installation.php

Anyway anyone who is interested with under mount Alkaline ION sink can test yourself and choose between Jupiter Delphi or Cleansui AL680 both is about $2k but Jupiter Delphi is much much more expensive & is made in korea.

Er I was saying about your cleansui installation as well. want to know they do it under the sink... then I can compare too

pic pls?

 

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Sure...

Too bad that their Jupiter Delphi is toooo expensive and also not user friendly and not practical. Else my wife would had chosen that instead.

This is the youtube installation & how to use for Jupiter Delphi

http://shop.snyderhealth.com/jupiter_delphi_installation.php

Anyway anyone who is interested with under mount Alkaline ION sink can test yourself and choose between Jupiter Delphi or Cleansui AL680 both is about $2k but Jupiter Delphi is much much more expensive & is made in korea.

Hi Goobii,

Its been a while... how is everything??

Just a query, how was your installation of your cleansui???

Any pictures of the Cleansui installation??

Interested to see if cleansui has an ionizer that is undersink which uses platinium plates.

Cheers

 

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hi gkbt,

i bought the 2500 (5 plates) at $2199

they throw in some free items for me which i calculated cost abt $400, so i feel quite worth it...

i used cleansui for my previous house, the one that mount on the tap... quite costly as the cartridge is expensive...

u already bought yours? :)

 

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hi gkbt,

i bought the 2500 (5 plates) at $2199

they throw in some free items for me which i calculated cost abt $400, so i feel quite worth it...

i used cleansui for my previous house, the one that mount on the tap... quite costly as the cartridge is expensive...

u already bought yours? :)

Did u ever considered Kemp Trading?

They have been in the market for over 20 years selling the biggest brand Mavello and Jupiter range.

Prices is from $1388.

I got my Mavello at only $1388. I felt H20 is too expensive + the recurring cost of the filters is very expensive like $250 per year? I change my single 0.01 filter at $120.

Sorry if I sounded harsh, but I felt they we trying to "hard sell" their system to me saying they are no.1. Being number 1 in Korea within 5 years is hard to believe especially selling only 2 models but in 1 mold. Jupiter by emcotech Emcotech has over 13 models to choose from..... so it more "believable" that Jupiter is the true no. 1.

I have done some research in the net and dug up some "interesting" facts on KYK. Do see the clips I posted.... on you-tube.

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I bought Marvello in 2005, after 3 yrs+ using the system, I dun feel much different like when i 1st use Alkaline water, so i purposely bring my water to test the antioxidant. Surprisingly, the antioxidant drop half of which stated there. for level 4, PH10, It suppose to give me ORP 400+ while I tested it about 190 only. After I do some reading, I guess, the antioxidant might be affected by the smaller surface area of platinum plate of Marvello system.

I change to use KYK 25000 from H2O, and I really experience the difference btw these 2 brands. Im very satisfied with KYK Machine. KYK is from Prof Dr KYK who has been in this industrial for more than 20 yrs, and still lecturing in uni and do a lot of research, so I have more confidence in his products.

As I understand, to be publish in SPH, if they claimed that they are No1, they must show the certificate/ proof to SPH, so I believe that KYK is No 1 in Korea, they can cheat the public, but not easy to cheat SPH.

Bryan.

 

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I bought Marvello in 2005, after 3 yrs+ using the system, I dun feel much different like when i 1st use Alkaline water, so i purposely bring my water to test the antioxidant. Surprisingly, the antioxidant drop half of which stated there. for level 4, PH10, It suppose to give me ORP 400+ while I tested it about 190 only. After I do some reading, I guess, the antioxidant might be affected by the smaller surface area of platinum plate of Marvello system.

I change to use KYK 25000 from H2O, and I really experience the difference btw these 2 brands. Im very satisfied with KYK Machine. KYK is from Prof Dr KYK who has been in this industrial for more than 20 yrs, and still lecturing in uni and do a lot of research, so I have more confidence in his products.

As I understand, to be publish in SPH, if they claimed that they are No1, they must show the certificate/ proof to SPH, so I believe that KYK is No 1 in Korea, they can cheat the public, but not easy to cheat SPH.

Bryan.

Hi Bryan,

Its surprising to hear such things about the Mavello system. I myself have the Mavello system since my parents purchased it and now with my own family, I have it as well.

I have always been testing my water from the system using the ORP meter and it has been able to give me consistent results or -350 onwards. Being in the Lifescience field, I have a full arsenal of testers to measure the water. When the ionic water is collected, it will start to gradually get neutralized by the air. Based on your readings, either you have not allowed the plates to be washed daily or have let air react with the alkaline water for a while b4 testing. One of my friends who was a skeptic like me refused to believe Mavello was a good machine and went to test both KYK and Mavello... The result, alkaline water at pH 10 from the KYK 2500 lasted 3 days in a airtight container while the Mavello at pH 10 lasted 7 days. Much less can be said of the ORP from the KYK.

As intellectual consumers, I think its is important to find the truth and do some homework ourselves

What I am about to share is through some detailed web searches + friends from S.Korea during MFA gatherings

1) Pro. Dr. KYK (In his own company website, he is does not even claim to be a Dr. or PHD person.) I would like to know if you have information on his expertise?

2) If Dr. KYK have been in the industry for over 20 year..... then there should be lots of publication to his research works. I have found to date only 2, which are peer reviewed... meaning it was not even published in any authority scientific journals.

3) I am truly surprise when he is touted to be teaching in Seoul university and a professor. From my contacts in S.Korea ministry, he never taught nor holds any position in the University.

4) Now to the boss of H20, he mentioned he is a water specialist right? did you actually ask him which company he worked in for the numerous years of experience?? you would be surprise in his answer which I'll keep quiet for now.

If you have further information that disputes this do post it here. It is important that the public should know the truth.

Some food for thought.... would a NO.1 in Korea entrust its marketing efforts to a rookie company? H20 Lifesource is only in its infancy (approx 1 yr +). Its much like Samsung or LG giving SOLE DISTRIBUTORSHIP of its electronics products to say "abc" company which in only in the market for 1 year... would it? Any normal individual would say it is not possible.

Lastly to address the SPH advertisement, upon checking with SPH marketing and sales division, SPH disputes that they are actually endorsing that KYK is no.1, either on TV, press or radio. They merely speak or write what was provided for them and I quote from them "honesty is on the advertiser and not on SPH to provide the truth of which actions may be brought to the advertiser's attention and this indemnifies SPH from any misunderstanding caused in the advertisement"

So in short, do homework 1st before buying.

Just like now I am doing renovations for my new home... If I do not do my homework and I believe an advert that states this particular ID is very good and its a flop... then its mine fault and not SPH.. Sure we can start legal proceedings like small claims... but is it worth the time which we are always lacking?

Don't worry about being misled, its through experience which makes us more discerning in the future....

cheers

 

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Did u ever considered Kemp Trading?

They have been in the market for over 20 years selling the biggest brand Mavello and Jupiter range.

Prices is from $1388.

I got my Mavello at only $1388. I felt H20 is too expensive + the recurring cost of the filters is very expensive like $250 per year? I change my single 0.01 filter at $120.

Sorry if I sounded harsh, but I felt they we trying to "hard sell" their system to me saying they are no.1. Being number 1 in Korea within 5 years is hard to believe especially selling only 2 models but in 1 mold. Jupiter by emcotech Emcotech has over 13 models to choose from..... so it more "believable" that Jupiter is the true no. 1.

I have done some research in the net and dug up some "interesting" facts on KYK. Do see the clips I posted.... on you-tube.

 

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gkbt seems competitor of H2O, haha.. keep on telling the bad things...

I believe what i research is the truth, as I'm a Lecturer too...

Consumer shouldn't be confuse by all of our talk here, do your own research, make sure the website and the information you get are from the right site.

God Bless.

 

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gkbt seems competitor of H2O, haha.. keep on telling the bad things...

I believe what i research is the truth, as I'm a Lecturer too...

Consumer shouldn't be confuse by all of our talk here, do your own research, make sure the website and the information you get are from the right site.

God Bless.

Hi Bryan,

Seems that you are competitor of Kemp? ;) Based on 2 posting to say the Mavello system is bad just dun cut it. Being a Lecturer... you do know that what you say needs to be backed up... so if u think my statements are not true, do provide some pointers u feel strongly about. I am totally open about it.

I am not totally pro kemp though... Kemp does not offer reseller programm as far as I know compared to H20. So if you business minded find H20, S$100k franchise anyone???

But I do agree with you on 1 point. Pls do your own research, find the truth and I believe the truth will set u free. There are tons of information in the web which is freely accessible... from clips to articles... etc

Cheers brother....

 

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I have been using a simple undersink water filter system from Doulton. No fancy claims on health giving properties. Just a brand with independent testing and longer history. Maintenance is straight forward and the replacement filter is relatively affordable.

 

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I have been using a simple undersink water filter system from Doulton. No fancy claims on health giving properties. Just a brand with independent testing and longer history. Maintenance is straight forward and the replacement filter is relatively affordable.

Hi belle,

There are lots of filters in the market to choose from, as you mentioned the brand and independent testings are important. NSF certifications are important too as they define which type of chemical, heavy metal etc are removed.....

I heard that there are 2 grades of NSF certification which is is really important to pure filter systems.

Cheers!

 

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