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  1. Posted

    The Sales person is wrong in saying CASE cannot do anything.

    As a consumer you can try to settle it amicably through CASE or cause them problems by going straight to small claims.

    The reason why sales people try to tell you that its no hope is that they are commission based people, it affects their pay packet. However if it was done unethically aka "pressure selling" then I think you have a cooling period.

    Alternatively as a consumer, you can go with the flow of the sales and cry sour lemons later because most likely they will not be doing a good job. I doubt they will "customize" for you...

  2. Posted · Edited by gkbt

    Dear Charlton,

    You are right to say about the requirements and benefits of alkaline ionized water, (microclusters, high alkalinity, dissloved hydrogen, -ORP etc)

    Unfortunately I do not see VWA in USA nor has its been independently tested....... Unless you mean the model numbers which i sourced from your website to be similar to similar models carried by "different brands" around the world, In other words VWA is just a distributor and the actual OEM company is called TYENT.

    I always research history of the manufacturer to see if they stand up well to others. Apparently TYENT has a 18 years+ history in the water industry, however they only started in 2003 to produce water ionizers (pls check actual company history) therefore only having a 10 year history of water ionization system manufacturing experience. Furthermore they do not only concentrate on water alone, other products like soap and coenzymes which make them not a specialized company.

    Many websites in US are very skewed to a "vested" brand, therefore I only believe in a company that test but do not sell. Silver State is one example that tested water ionizers from many brands but do not have any interest in any.

    Water ionizers can never be wrong, but as for the brand a customer chooses, please choose wisely from info such as

    1) From Japan and Korea (cos only endorsed as a medical device in these 2 countries)

    2) Age of Manufacturer (specialized?)

    3) Quality of product (Age, history)

    4) Age of Agent / distributor (specialized?)

    5) Award locally or internationally.

    Cheers

  3. Posted · Edited by gkbt

    Hi Rizoma,

    Regarding the undersink model, Goobii and i discussed this in page 2 & 3.

    http://www.renotalk.com/forum/topic/15135-water-filters/?p=474591

    Personally they mentioned its 3 plates. So unless they made a new model, I cant see it being a 5 plate model.

    *just checked cleansui website, seems they have a new model al700. Based on the specs, looks like its a 5 plate system. Not sure the price though....

    Other things to take note,

    u need a transformer for this unit as it powered at 110v (Japan power)

    The filter price seems odd $0.36 per liter for 8000l = $2880 my guess is an error should be 0.036 per liter which is = $288.

  4. Posted

    Hi Rizoma,

    The AL680 is a 3 plate (solid plate) undersink water ionizer, while the Jupiter Delphi is a 5 plate (mesh plate) undersink water ionizer.

    The water ionizer strength is measured in alkalinity which is also directly in relation to the number and type of plates.

    Do take a few considerations when thinking of a water ionizer

    1) Company that manufacture it (niche player or general player)

    2) Variety of products (the more products on offer the more invested the manufacturer will be)

    3) Age of both manufacturer and Agent. (the longer they have been in the market speak of the stability of the company at large)

    4) Price (price should be value for money and not overly cheap or expensive)

    5) Service (what is the service that each agent is able to provide eg. filter change / repair / warranty)

    If you ask me on price, the AL680 is at S$2399 while the Jupiter delphi is at $2888 therefore the AL680 is cheaper if you are budget constrained. An Alkaline water ionizer system will last you many years and as such one should consider the overall investment for the system not just in price but also all of the above.

    Welcome to the water ionizer family nonetheless!

  5. Posted

    Hi Rizoma,

    Clenasui has 0.01M filtraton capability. Its compact and can fit on most general taps. For the price, its affordable if you are seriously looking ultrafine filtration. You can go to all major dept stores and have a look at the filters. There are more varieties than just the AL680 if I am not wrong and most models offer the 0.01M filtration.

    Cheers!

  6. Posted · Edited by gkbt

    Hi gkbt,

    I am looking for an RO system which removes fluoride on top of the chlorine, bacteria.... What do you think of the following:

    Aquaphor Morion Reverse Osmosis
    $1,188.00

    http://healthquest.com.sg/collections/home-water-filters/products/aquaphor-morion

    100% fluoride removal they claim.

    It is Russian made and follows the Russian standard GOST R 51872-2002 which is equivalent if not higher than NSF standards 42 and 53. Recently, the Morion system was NSF certified in the US.

    Mineralization takes place after the RO process to replace the minerals.

    Since most RO uses a lot of water, this system claims to reduce that wastage:

    "Due to efficient storage tank membrane and valve system, Morion remains the ratio of wasted-to-filtered water below 4:1 no matter how much water there is in the tank and how high is the pressure in water supply. For traditional RO purifiers with air-on-water storage tank this ratio varies between 10 and 15 at approx. 3 atm pressure and grows towards the end of tank fulfillment. Given the fact that we usually use 1-2 liters of filtered water at a time, Morion, saves you up to 50% or 9000 liters of water a year."

    Any comments is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

    Hi ziztine,

    So sorry for not being active in the forum for the longest of time. Been extremely busy with work.

    Ok hope this get to you.

    Always think about the cost of owning a system with some questions I always ask myself.

    Technology Vs Technology

    1) Do they give you something which others don't?

    2) Does this "something" mean alot to you or is can be passable?

    3) Is there any evidence to back it up?

    4) Any health benefits to show for?

    Company Vs Company

    1) Quality of the systems

    2) Availability of parts and services

    3) Cost of part and services

    4) Reputation of Agent / Supplier / Factory

    5) Local certifications with foreign certifications

    Honestly I am not the greatest fan of Distillation nor RO system for the matter they actually not only have:

    1) Possible high upfront cost

    2) Possible high recurring cost (replacement of part / filters)

    3) Possible high electrical cost

    4) Lack of health benefits and possible causing health deficiencies due to demineralization

    5) Waste of water (R.O):- Depends on technology available

    In general, most if not all RO systems now comes with optional mineralization cartridge. So if you are looking for clean water with minerals then this should be fine. Mineral filters do have a lifespan and since they have to make the water balance you might want to proactively monitor that the water does not fall back to the acidic side.

    Since its Russian made, do make sure the company here is able to support and have been in the market for a while now. As R.O systems tend to require extensively servicing after a few years of usage, the parts should be readily available and affordable. Wastage of water is also a major concern of R.O system do ask them how much waste water (in ml) do you get per glass of water e.g 250ml. Another concern is the speed of water collection, as R.O take a long time to filter through, quantity is very important to users.

    We can be wowed by words or jargon but do try to see the system in action before deciding. If they do not have a working model for test, you already have your answer.

    I hope the above helps!

    Cheers

    *If you are able to allow minute fluoride in the mater (trace amounts) then choose filtration as they will be able to remove bacteria and chlorine to non detectable amounts. I personally tend to stick to alkaline ionized water as they not only filter extensively but provide the sustainable health benefits as endorsed by MOH in Japan.

  7. Posted · Edited by gkbt

    Hi gkbt, I had bought the jupiter alpion last year. Had been drinking at level 2. Recently my father passed me this article.

    http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/ALKA.%20WATER.htm

    It got me worried because this article mentions platinum and titanium poisoning. It makes sense as if you stored water in a metal container. The metal would leech into the water.

    This will be more pronounced if there is electrical current running +\- charge thru it. Like electroplating concept.

    Also , Jupiter system has the patented self cleaning system where by it switches from +/- every 20 secs on 1 plate. They told me there is a flow diverter to divert only + water to the nozzle. But I don't see any drop in flow rate which is common to valves switching so I am very skeptical.

    Dear Vienta,

    Interesting article, however it errs on many points, i will address the points you have made only as i have not much time to post a full reply

    1) metal leeching is much rarer than chemical leeching therefore its actually safer storing yr drinking water in a glass or metallic container. Remember your water pipes? They are mainly copper, U dont see copper residue in your water do you?

    2) platinium metal DOES NOT cause poisoning, its the salt that may have a genotoxicity effect. Even then it will have to be extremely over the limit. (Small sea creatures exposed to 100-200ug/l of PtCl showed signs of mutation) translating to roughly 50-100ug/g to cause this effect. For an adult male of 70kg u need 7x1000x100/ 1000000 = 0.7g or 700mg of PtCl. Even miners of platinum get only 2ug/g (14mg) exposure and have no symptoms.

    3) titanium DOES NOT cause poisoning too. Think of all the screws n metal pieces for fractures, matching bone pieces for hip replacements... What are they made of? Titanium... If it was poison... Alot of people would have been in serious trouble.

    4) if u are talking about valves then it depends what u are comparing too. A washing machine have a valve that stops or allow water to flow. But for the alphion cleaning, there is no need to stop water flow so the switch is immediate and rarely u feel or hear anything. But if u switch to purified water it should stop and change like what washing machine will do.

    Below is 2 articles for your viewing, actually if you are concern about platinum poisoning, the car catalyst is a better bet than the water ionizer.... However its still quite far fetch to say you can get poisoned by platinum, afterall the MOH of Japan approved water ionizers maded with platinum & titanium since 1965 and reassessed it again in 1993. If there were issues, it would be very pronounced in Japan and Korea since alot of people are already drinking the water for such system.

    http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/pt.htm

    http://www.justanswer.com/medical/353ts-symptoms-consistent-platinum-poisoning.html

    Cheers

  9. Posted · Edited by gkbt

    Thanks for your input gkbt. I'm still not very convinced that Alkaline Ionizer is really essential and the health benefits claims are not exactly well proven to me as well.

    However, I do feel that water filtration does help. There are other research that kind of made sense to me as in, our bodies cannot take really pure water like what is being used in the science labs. Minerals in the water do play a part in what our body needs. So there's a need to strike a balance on finding a water filtration system that does the job but not to the extend to make the water too pure for consumption.

    Went to check out what is available off the shelf and came across that majority of the products in the market talks about the number of plate used for applying electrolysis to the water to produce alkaline water and it also goes through a filter system. I'll go back to point on my focus, which is just to get a water filter system without the alkaline portion.

    In general, systems with the electrolysis will:

    1. Need a power source to run (added cost)
    2. For every "X" amount of alkaline water produced, "X" amount of acidic water is produced (added cost again even though you can use the acidic water for other purposes but end of the day, it makes a user consume more water and I personally feel, it alters the water usage behaviour)

    That's the added cost portion and it usually cost about $500 to $1,000 more than a system with just water filtration. Although the filters for alkaline water systems are usually cheaper, the start up cost is pretty much higher.

    So all in all, it's a rather apple to orange comparison. But cost of running is definitely higher for one that produces alkaline water as compared to a solely water filter system.

    So back to water filter system. Before I go on, I'm focused on only systems installed undersink and with a separate faucet to dispense the water. Generally in the market, there are:

    • Water Filter attached to regular taps (Will not work with those with chef mixers)
    • Gravity feed water filter system. Can be big like store around 10 litres or small like a 1 to 2 litre flask
    • Counter top ( This sits on your counter top with a little faucet to dispense the water out)
    • Undersink type with a faucet installed near your sink.

    I'm only interested in the last type as my countertop does not have much space, so i'll just talk about that in this post.

    Some brands I am looking at are:

    • Cleansui A101ZC
    • Watts Kwik-Change™ Cartridge Reverse Osmosis System
    • 3M DWS2500T
    • Ultrapure Undersink(local made)
    • Hyflux HF1P-3AA or HF1P-3S

    So in general, they are from Japan (Cleansui), US (Watts & 3M) and local (Ultrapure and Hyflux)

    I realised the US and Hyflux are similar in their cartridges. They have about 2 to 3 different cartridges for 1 system. According to their spec sheets, it can filter between 3,800 to 5,800 liters of water and their cartridges generally have 2 types of lifespan. One is 3 to 6 months. The other is 6 months to 12 months.

    Some comes with electronic counter to monitor and advise on change. That's good.

    So, as for the rest, it's 1 huge cartridge that is a combination of pretty much the same function as the multiple cartridge system. Spec sheet put it that this cartirdge can last up to 12 months.

    This is up to user preference. No right or wrong I guess. For me, I'll go for single cartridge as having experienced using multiple cartidge, I confirm will forget what is supposed to be changed.

    Running costs in summary, 3M is probably the most expensive with the low capacity of about 3,000 litres of water filtered and with a start up cost of around $1.5k (rounded up). Others range from $400++ to about $1k as their start up. Filter replacement range from $150++ to about $300 for those systems. I'm not sure about 3M's replacement filter price though.

    End of the day, my decision is to go for Cleansui as a better established brand and it runs on single cartridge. A close 2nd is actually Ultrapure for its price.

    Hi Potat0,

    Just to let you know a few things, electrical cost is less than $2.00 a month (of cost not included a power point if you need to install 1)

    In regards to the ratio, I get roughly 60 - 70% alkaline while about 30 - 40% acidic which I use immediately at the end of the day to wash up my dishes. This methods save water rather than waste it but you have to use it if not its wasted. It does alter behavior pattern such as to remember to use the acid water rather than use tap water to wash dishes up.

    Cost of water ionizer is not that expensive. When I bought my 1st system it cost about $1.3k, A diamond water system cost 1.6k then, so pricing is very dependent and variable.

    If you are still considering filter, the cleansui and Hyflux filters are the most cost effective with multiple outlets to buy filters when they run out. However remember to change them regularly if not the water produced from the filter will become acidic in nature due to bacteria trapped inside it.

    Btw did you explore swiss pro? the cost of the system + filters are quite cheap if I did not recall wrongly.

    Cheers

  10. Posted

    I 2nd, 3rd or 4th with Panasonic. Honestly, marketing or not, I m sold on Panasonic's inverter technology. According to the sales person from AH @ Bendemeer,

    Panasonic fridge will "learn" and go into some "sleeping" mode when u least use the fridge, i.e 12mn to 6am, for eg. Thereby further saving on electricity

    bills. If I m not wrong, only Pana fridge come with bottom freezer, which is another + point as the motor uses less energy to pump the "freez" up as compared

    to normal top freezer. Again I m sold as it sounds logical to me. hahaha

    Saw the point on safety, which I think makes sense too. Because sometimes, my mother do ask me to help her put stuffs up into the freezer as they are either

    a bit too heavy for her, or she cannot reach the freezer compartment etc. So I am 99% going for a Panasonic fridge.

    Hope this helps and good luck in ur purchase bro!

    Hi Batman,

    Thanks for the info.

    Like you I am swayed by technology... I guess I am leaning heavily on Panasonic now.

    Model number is NRF555TX no sure abt colour but

    NOW is to find the cheapest price.... wish me luck....

  12. Posted

    Wah, 6 doors ?! Woo hoo...that's a lot of food... :notti:

    I'm inclined to Panasonic or Mitsubishi for fridges, both have proven to be reliable.

    ya she is into some gordon ramsy / dochle vita cook show or something... attracting her to cook her heart out.

    So I guess I'll benefit with all those yummy foods but have to suck it in and get a 3K fridge...

  14. Posted · Edited by gkbt

    Not sure if I will get bashed for posting this or not but this is what I came across and thought might be good to share.

    http://www.apswater.com/article.asp?id=198&title=Alkaline_Water_Hoax_-_It_Is_Simple_Science.

    Basically, this website is saying Alkaline Water ionizer is a hoax and they themselves are selling quite a number of water filter systems.

    The "acid water" collection thing is also putting me back on going for Jupiter and the price also.

    Looks like I'm back to square one and will probably be looking for something ultra filtration and yet will not filter away the minerals in water.

    I'm looking at Cleansui at the moment.

    Hi potat0 n dragonite,

    Interesting article, coming from a science perspective, I must say this article is focused to downgrade ionizers and up sell their filters.

    There are just too many point to talk about and thus let me just focus on 1

    Our stomach are acidic that's correct, however there are times and period in the day / night that the acidity are lower or higher. Drinking alkaline will not ALKALIZE your body, however its the bi product that will.. Sounds complicated? Just read on and humor me,

    Acidity is produced by using certain "ingredients" such as water, carbon dioxide n salt (sodium / potassium chloride) etc the end result is hydrochloric acid for the stomach and a bicarbonate as "waste" this waste is released into the blood and this is what ppl call an "alkaline tide". This results in a person being alert when consuming food as acid is needed to break down food yet the bicarbonate (alkaline) residue helps increase oxygen intake while in the blood stream.

    Since I can't sleep lets carry on with some extra information, the article simply gloss over certain facts. Alkaline ionized water is classified a a medical substance and systems that produced such water a medical device, since 1965 (Japan Ministry of health n welfare) reassessed again as recent at 1994 (Japan) and 1970s (Korea by the KFDA) The article checked with sources that are in the western world yet none from Japan nor Korea. The treatment using alkaline ionized water is targeted at gastrointestinal conditions and is prescribed by doctors in Japan and Korea.

    The article further mentions the fact that such system that produces alkaline ionized water do no benefits to the consumer yet insist that alkaline food should balance acidic foods. It's akin to saying take your fruits n vegs they contain vitamins but taking vitamins supplements is bad for you because vitamin supplements company want to earn your money..... :bangwall:

    Furthermore the author uses scientific articles from japan to "sums" up the argument of alkaline ionized water's negativity. However before this the author argues that the land of the rising sun engages in beliefs of "writing Japanese words on the outside of a glass of water, or playing music near this glass of water will change the physical characteristics of the water in the glass to the point where the water can actually provide curative effects for the body". This author failed to provide the same scientific journals that showed positive evidence of such water.

    If this was truly a cover up by governments of Japan and Korea then this cover up is truly amazing. one can view evidence of national TV stations airing documentaries of "kangen" water and numerous doctors acknowledgment of such benefits from YouTube and other streaming media.

    I have not provided links in this comment but if you are looking for such links, i believe it's somewhere in this 8 pages but if u can't find it pm me I'll send u the links.

    Remember in science there is never only one side of the coin, however its through asking and researching that one truly finds what he is looking for.

    Cheers

  15. Posted

    Hi gkbt,

    I'm very new to this water filter, water ionizer and all the facts are making me see stars after reading the 8 pages.

    Basically I just shifted into a few flat since Feb and recently the fb grp member of my hdb project posted the colour of his filter (changed at 3 mths) and I'm very alarmed its brown, like rust. My concern is how much of the brown substance (is it rust?) my 1 yr old son has drank :(

    I didn't expect our water quality to be such and on hindsight we fixed a faucet that can spray as well as normal flow so its got a big head and it seems like those fixed on tap is not suitable for me (unless we change the faucet). My friend was telling me she uses the one from KEMP but its got a unit on the table top, I would like to get a simple filter to rid the brown stuff (ionized water is a plus but not a must) may I have your recommendation plse?

    Thanks!

    Hi narf,

    Generally if your tap is the odd type like a spray or normal water option, then IMHO all filter attached to your tap is out of the question.

    If you do not need a ionizer go for under sink filter systems that will produce water through the top via a thin faucet (brands that come to mind.... Diamond, hyflux, 3m and Swiss pro)

    But do bear in mind the filter recurring cost and the micron filtration capability (look for 0.01m filters will be the best) other than just the immediate cost.

    I just saw a demonstration of a 0.01m filter in action recently and man it removes even ink which filters at 0.1m can't... So look for 0.01m

    Cheers...

  16. Posted

    The Panasonic model is from their new ecoNavi range - has inverter I think and is from their new energy saving series.

    Frankly, if you have a size constraint, u may not want 2 look at brand and simply juz go with whichever that can fit.

    If you like 3 door, get the 3 door. Remember that no matter what advice other people give you, you are the user at the end of the day. You have to like it and it has to work for you. :sport-smiley-018:

    Thanks for the input dragonnite,

    Will do some more shopping this week to determine which will be better for me. However as much as the technology, I think size play a major part as my kitchen is really very small. As such the limitation of size + technology make the choice more difficult than it already it.

    Wish me luck!

  17. Posted

    Actually, i have the same question as potato as my house reno is going to start and i guess if there's a need for more holes on my countertop, i better be mentally prepared. :D

    I was planning for the marvello jp101mx then i saw that the jupiter venus is even cheaper, and call me superficial but it's prettier. :P Anyone can tell me which one is better ah ? I think both are 5 plate versions and.... i have a budget constraint...

    From what i saw at kemp trading, there are 2 ways of attaching the countertop unit:

    - directly to your kitchen tap

    - extra tap on your countertop that controls the water flow to the water ioniser

    IMO, method 1 is the ugliest, method 2 is the cleanest way on the tabletop but requires an extra tap (anyone knows if this can be any tap or must buy their $100 one ?). What they showed me was the discharge is just by the side of the unit, whether into a pail or something. Ugly, if you asked me. :wacko: The other pictures they showed me weren't that much better.

    I just get the impression that somehow, the acid water discharge comes as an afterthought to this whole setup and no one actually spent time thinking about the best way to do this ... :unsure:

    Hi Dragonnite,

    Sorry for the late reply, been very busy lately,

    Comparing the Venus Vs Mavello, I would say the Mavello is a better deal due to its long history and reliability. My old Mavello broke down once in its entire lifespan of 6 years and that was due to the rubber hardening up because of age. I cant say the same for the Venus as I have not tried it our before.

    2ndly the mesh plate technology (Mavello) compared to the solid plate technology (Venus)is able to generate better ionization than the solid plate system.

    As for the connection, unfortunately all water ionizer system not just the Mavello needs a acidic water collection point. I would suggest you to plan for the acidic water collection / drainage point in your renovation design as most people already have a existing kitchen to work with not a blank slate like you and me. Some ideas come to mind such as routing the water to a yard, toilet or even to the drainage point for discharge or collection. When there is a blank slate to work with... it so much simpler.

    The direct connection cost $100 but the tap is a generic valve which you can source, however the reducer from the machine and to the tap is not so easy to find like I have found out the hard way.

    I would suggest checking out with them again and specifically telling them your constraints and needs. I believe there are ways to make the system look nice at your home.

    Cheers!

  19. Posted

    Need help from those who installed the system and is collecting the acidic water.

    Can you show a photo of how you run the system? I saw the photos from Kemp Trading, doesn't seem to like the way it's being done actually.

    I'm trying to avoid keeping it "out of sight" at the under sink cabinet just in case it overflows and I am still clueless about it.

    TIA!

    Hi potato,

    Which system are u thinking of getting? There are quite a few of us using different systems from Kemp, so there are different ways to run the system and collect the acid water.

    Cheers

  20. Posted

    Problem with lemon laws is that the SCTB can only hear claims of small quantity.

    I would suggest to proceed with small claims rather than file a lawsuit for the following reason.

    1) the contractor has done up some of the work already

    2) the owners do not wish to pursue the case further (from the fact they rather pay up the 10%)

    Go for the maximum claim and see if the contractor will still want to stand by the ownings

    Please take pictures of the situation asap before the current contractor works with it. So the SCTB can make the errant contractor pay for the work of the current contractor as well if necessary. max claim is 10k or 20 if the contractor allows it to go there

    website http://app.subcourts.gov.sg/sct/page.aspx?pageid=8617

    cheers

  23. Posted

    Got my lights from Ikea too, especially the side table ones. The variety are so so, but the price are good.

    I got my lighting from lighting.sg too which is affordable but variety is even more limited.

    The bulbs are similar and can be interchanged so nowadays I buy my bulbs from Ikea and replace the spoilt ones from lighting.sg whose bulbs seems not able to survive longer than ikea sadly.

  24. Posted

    Hi GKBT,

    Thanks for your insight. I shared some of the same thoughts as you as I read through page 1-8 of this topic with reference to your post and almost commit on Novita until I read about Puricare. With your personal advise, I think I know which I will go with. Had already gun down my dad's view on Elken and he has surrended to the fact of a MLM product.

    The reason to have the need for the hot and cold is due to a couple of factor :

    1. Instant warm water for making baby milk

    2. Parent's staying with us, hence they wanted to have instant hot water and not having the need to boil water

    3. Kid will drink more water because kid told me with the table top, it tempts him to fill his cup to the fullest and he will drink at least 8 cups a day.

    4. As for cold water, my fridge do have a water dispenser but we need to fill it up everytime it is empty, and we hardly wash the water container in the fridge.

    Since we are having a GO for the hot and cold table top, I just want to make sure that a proper filter will be in place to make sure water are treated correctly before it goes through the table top. My main concern will be not to filter off too much of the essential minerals that our body still need.

    Hi dash2627,

    That's fantastic, don't worry on filtering of essential minerals, normally filters don't do that unless u specifically buy one that can.

    I'm just concern about energy cost as nowadays electrical current are expensive.... mine is bordering $300 :bangwall:

    Overall it's good that your kid promised to drink more water.... Try telling them school also encourage them drink water so they must drink at home and at school :thumbs up:

    Cheers!

  25. Posted

    Hi all, I'm thinking of getting a water ionizer and i have been searching through a lot of websites and it didn't help much. Read up that they always promote the brand they are selling, which i find true in most cases. So anyway, i have read most of this forum, and it took a while, skipped through some pages because. Anyway, gkbt, could you please advise me on which ionizer i should buy? you seem like quite the water ionizer guru. Right now, i have 4 options in mind,

    1)Jupiter Athena

    2)Samusung Vesta

    3)KYK 3000

    4)Tyent 9090 turbo

    could you give me some insights as to which to buy if money is not too big of an issue? Thanks so much! (:

    Hi thesmarts,

    I don’t think saying which is better is ethical. But I will put them side by side and you can decide yourself which is better. If you have read my posting you would know which system I am using, but most people would know when I post something its objective and questions asked will be same as what another consumer will ask as well.

    1) Jupiter Athena,

    By Kemp Trading

    5 plate mesh technology.

    Twin filter technology (standard and 0.01M filtration)

    Cost of filters $130 and $150

    Filtration capacity 6000L

    Cost of system $2388 exclude gst

    Company 24 years in Singapore currently

    Local awards and local certs

    Factory 35 years history in Korea with no. 1 market share in Korea (statistics from KFDA)

    International awards and certs

    2)Samusung Vesta

    By Kemp Trading

    7 or 9 plate technology

    Twin filter technology (standard and 0.01M filtration)

    Cost of filters $130 and $150

    Filtration capacity 6000L

    Cost of system $2500 (7 plate) / $2888(9 plate) exclude gst

    Company 24 years in Singapore currently

    Local awards local certs

    Factory 35 years history in Korea with no. 1 market share in Korea (statistics from KFDA)

    International awards and certs

    3)KYK 30000

    By H20Lifesource

    There is no 3000 but rather 30000. Below is the spec I have gathered from the web. Another note is that the 30000 is being superseded by the Gen II system in the international market. Any discrepancy please check with Mr. Wong.

    7 plate system

    Twin filter technology (2 standard filtration 0.1M)

    Cost filter approx $145 per filter

    Filter capacity 6000L and 9000L

    Cost of system $2899 exclude gst

    Company about 4 years plus in Singapore

    local certs

    Factory 8 year history in Korea, Korea No. 1 as advertised by H20lifesource (Have not seen any data backing it though)

    International awards and certs

    4)Tyent 9090 turbo (Also known as watersource system here in Singapore)

    By Evergreen Stationary's subsidiary watersource

    9 plate system

    Twin filter technology (2 standard filtration 0.1M)

    Cost $250 self collect

    Filter capacity 6000L

    Cost of system $2888 gst waived

    Company about 3 years in Singapore

    Subsidiary Local awards and local and certs

    Company 17 years history in Korea (advertised as best seller in USA not sure about data though)

    International awards and certs

    This is as unbiased as I can get. Do look into the website and visit the stores to understand them better, the more you know the better your final choice.

    Cheers!

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