jaskel 2 Report post Posted June 1, 2011 (edited) it's written in the guideline that plastering ceiling is not allowed (3rd point under "Examples of Renovation Work Not Allowed" in the link below). so i am just wondering what is the initial purpose of writing this rule, and why is this rule still around when everyone else is doing it? i bring this up time and again in the hope that someone can actually explain why~ http://www.hdb.gov.sg/fi10/fi10324p.nsf/w/HomeRenoNotAllow?OpenDocumentDidn't notice on your question before if not should have answered to u long ago. Edited June 1, 2011 by jaskel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marshmallow 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 Didn't notice on your question before if not should have answered to u long ago. you can always answer now~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RimBlock 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) you can always answer now~ Haha, yes that was my first thought .RB Edited June 2, 2011 by RimBlock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sleek 2 Report post Posted June 6, 2011 hey guys, hope everything is going well for the both of you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sethho 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2011 My apologies for the haitsu ~ after toilet and kitchenware, we were busy finalizing lightings and design details with our contractors Totally burnt....Ok, first off, some on progress pics to share when I visited to pass the 5 Chinese coins (tong ban) for the tiler to lay in our living room. All wet works materials are inTemporary tap at our living room... There are some blue paint at where the tap dispenses water - I do not know OR wish to know what they are... hence not in the frame of this pic Tiling has started for kitchen!Close up on the tiling work... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sethho 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) We finally got place orders for our lightings from Illum Lighting!! We been to around 30 lighting stores and in the end went back to the very first one we visited....LOLOur biggest challenge was sourcing for cool colour lightings for our L-box and false ceiling. We also want energy saving bulbs without ballast. Our mindset was so fixated on the conclusion that we have to either go with PLC for 'cool' colour, OR Philips for the energy saving lightings without ballast, but only comes in day or warm colours When we better articulate our requirement again on our 2nd visit to the staff, they told us they have all 3 colours energy saving light bulbs (w/o ballast) and its NOT from Philips, but from ....(drum rolls)... GE! *SMACK HEAD* Moreover, it is much cheaper than Philips set from lightings.com.sg! They even have the latest ceiling fans which Ader like more than our original choice We got everything there, except pendant light which we will give them 1-2 weeks to source on our behalf. We wish to give them the bulk of our business if possible, otherwise we have our eye set on one we found at a neighbourhood shop. My personal conclusion: Finding the right lighting shop and being able to click with the staff there is as challenging as sourcing for the right ID/contractor! Edited June 7, 2011 by sethho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sethho 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2011 Finally, here is the 3D for our kitchen and living room after confirming our tiles and laminate!Its 70% accurate for layout, colour and tile choice (of course less the furniture designs).Kitchen:Living Room:We are going for a modern, minimalist look... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sethho 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2011 Task List:1. Sofa and dressing table selection2. Laminate for door and suspended TV console in MBR3. Locksmith for new locks4. Place order for Fujioh hob + hood5. Purchase of spray paint and delivery to Illum Lighting change lighting covers6. Shopping for all ALL ELECTRICAL APPLIANCES - gotta love GSS! 7. Wedding custom and dinner prep - we have confirmed the dates, but not the restaurant and other stuff!! 8. Confirm packing and mover services9. Confirm laundry hanger in kitchen10. Shopping for all misc stuff like utensils, cutlery, toiletries, etc.FYI: Ader may not be able to visit often as her sis has been hospitalized and she is busy with work... so please bear with our slow updates Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sethho 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2011 it's written in the guideline that plastering ceiling is not allowed (3rd point under "Examples of Renovation Work Not Allowed" in the link below). so i am just wondering what is the initial purpose of writing this rule, and why is this rule still around when everyone else is doing it? i bring this up time and again in the hope that someone can actually explain why~ Got this explanation from some IDs - the reason is safety and damages, as plastering may collapse, esp if materials used in those days tend to 'expand' due to humidity and heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sethho 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2011 hey guys, hope everything is going well for the both of you! Hi sleek - sorry, been really busy these days. We are tired, but doing pretty good so far. Renovation is coming to the stage where we have to be more vigilant in checks to ensure everything is according to plans. i.e. sub-con may not fully comprehend our designs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaskel 2 Report post Posted June 7, 2011 you can always answer now~ Too busy sorry sorry. Reason for plastering not allowed is due to safety issues. As after plastering dried up, over the times due to expansion and contraction, vibration, etc...the harden plaster will not stick to the ceiling(especially the top is having water leakage), if your top is doing reno, the whole piece, if not small pieces will drop down. Broken plaster can be as thick and sharp as glass. It under owner responsibilities if anything unfortunate happened. HDB, ID/contractor will not be responsible. So doing it will be at your own risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marshmallow 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2011 7. Wedding custom and dinner prep - we have confirmed the dates, but not the restaurant and other stuff!! FYI: Ader may not be able to visit often as her sis has been hospitalized and she is busy with work... so please bear with our slow updateswhen's your big day? must book restaurant/hotel quick leh cos that is the "rate determinating steps", sometimes you can have a few dates but all are fully booked for the restaurant/hotel of your choice. only after you make booking and confirm the date, then all other things can be planned accordingly (e.g. photo packages, actual day video). sorry to hear about Ader's sister... hope she will get well soon! Got this explanation from some IDs - the reason is safety and damages, as plastering may collapse, esp if materials used in those days tend to 'expand' due to humidity and heat. Too busy sorry sorry. Reason for plastering not allowed is due to safety issues. As after plastering dried up, over the times due to expansion and contraction, vibration, etc...the harden plaster will not stick to the ceiling(especially the top is having water leakage), if your top is doing reno, the whole piece, if not small pieces will drop down. Broken plaster can be as thick and sharp as glass. It under owner responsibilities if anything unfortunate happened. HDB, ID/contractor will not be responsible. So doing it will be at your own risk. thanks for the explanation~ now it makes sense why they do not allow plastering, though it would be helpful if HDB can elaborate on the reason so house owner can make an educated choice on whether to take the risk or not~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RimBlock 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2011 thanks for the explanation~ now it makes sense why they do not allow plastering, though it would be helpful if HDB can elaborate on the reason so house owner can make an educated choice on whether to take the risk or not~ Just to add to this...In the UK plastering on the ceilings is very common and very rarely would result in falling plaster as long as leaks are rectified within a reasonable amount of time and large cracks are dealt with. The only time I heard about any such case (2nd person) was when a bad Artex ceiling patterning was installed.Bottom line, as long as you are not silly and repair any damage or get it repaired if you notice it then you are very unlikely to have any issues. Same with spalling concrete falling on your head although if HDB put up rules against using concrete I guess we would all be back to wooden huts......Government agencies have to work to the bottom common denominator hence these rules for HDB apartments (and in some cases not in condos) and PUBS rules regarding positioning of electrical sockets so far off the ground just in case the elderly grandma sloshes the floor with a bucket of water to help clean it.RB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaskel 2 Report post Posted June 8, 2011 Just to add to this...In the UK plastering on the ceilings is very common and very rarely would result in falling plaster as long as leaks are rectified within a reasonable amount of time and large cracks are dealt with. The only time I heard about any such case (2nd person) was when a bad Artex ceiling patterning was installed.Bottom line, as long as you are not silly and repair any damage or get it repaired if you notice it then you are very unlikely to have any issues. Same with spalling concrete falling on your head although if HDB put up rules against using concrete I guess we would all be back to wooden huts......Government agencies have to work to the bottom common denominator hence these rules for HDB apartments (and in some cases not in condos) and PUBS rules regarding positioning of electrical sockets so far off the ground just in case the elderly grandma sloshes the floor with a bucket of water to help clean it.RBThe issue is when there is crack, who should repair for it? The neighbour doing the renovation above or the owners themselves?Becos, there are some owners purposely wait till there is renovation, be it above or beside to save them the money. So as not to get into such matter also, HDB laid out the rules and regulations for that. As for spalling concrete, no choice, if that happen, owner are to get their own contractor to do so, if we all go back to wooden huts, then there is no place for FT already(just joking). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RimBlock 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2011 The issue is when there is crack, who should repair for it? The neighbour doing the renovation above or the owners themselves?Becos, there are some owners purposely wait till there is renovation, be it above or beside to save them the money. So as not to get into such matter also, HDB laid out the rules and regulations for that. As for spalling concrete, no choice, if that happen, owner are to get their own contractor to do so, if we all go back to wooden huts, then there is no place for FT already(just joking). Same person who repairs the crack if it appears in a wall. Still can fall off the wall and hurt someone if a crack appears surely.Sure so some people are not willing to correctly maintain their property and so HDB have to lay out rules for their own good which also affects people who are able to correctly maintain their property. Another examples is not being able to cross a empty road unless the green man is showing. Gvmt liking to care for its citizens treats all like small children sometimes.For spalling concrete HDB will repair. No cost, little hassle although still some people not bothered to get fixed.My personal feeling is that there should be some work that owners are allowed to do but they must sign to take responsibility for maintenance and proper care. This is only for things that are unlikely to affect other home owners.If Singapore still in wooden huts then no FT would like to come. Don't want to work in wooden office with no aircon. No wish to 'melt away' in the heat .RB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
