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Hi hi, we've been following this forum silently and finally we are getting our keys in Dec... look forward to share our experiences with you all.. a lot of meaningful discussion here.. have learnt a few stuff here and there.. so far we are still at a very prelim stage.. things that are pending our decision: 1) ID - have shortlisted a few 2) Aircon - shld be getting sys 4 (but inverter or non-inverter?) 3) Hob - should be tecno glass hob.. 4) Fabric sofa - lorenzo? nice to have 1) bosch oven 2) yamaha sound bar will add more as we go along...

hi all, i am seriously considering intradesign at the moment. we are ok with no breakdown of costs but the quote seems a bit too ex for us to be comfortable.. our requirements are already basic enough.. no hacking and fanciful carpentry etc.. so if really want to meet budget is to cut down requirements which will be very bare.. just want to check is intradesign negotiable? how much can they move? we are off by more than 20%.. really want to get them

hi doremon, i am also looking for sys 4.. preferably non-inverter too as only mbr and my girl's br will switch on all nights.. the rest are only when there is guest.. how much is the daikin or lg one?

Er vicenzo, Do yamaha able to decode blue-ray? I was really impressed with Yamaha 5.1 sound bar... The quality is much better than philips, but there is some trade off in terms of form and functionality... Also I have to bear in mind the wiring issues for speakers... quite troublesome.... Btw, where can i get the yamaha soundbar at a good price? Lobang? warehouse sale? cheers

Hi Goobii, Using 2 filters just make your cost go up more than necessary. If water in Singapore is clean for drinking, then I do not see why the need to have 2 filters. I was told by KYK that the system will shutdown once one of the filters life span is up and you cannot use the system until you reset the system, not sure if this is true but I guess you guys can tell me more. KYK2500 should be $2199 but 3000? I think is should be more exp... close to S$3k? If thats the case, then the chrome under sink counter dun seem to expensive after all. I am not sure who you talked to Kemp but I was -rovided with all the information needed to make my decision when I visited Kemp while I got "shifty" eyes and unanswered questions. Further checks on the web led me to find out more "intersting facts" about KYK which you can find below. If you are comparing about awards of the factory maybe you can look at this site by their agent in US. Emco Tech Lastly the reason why I did not choose KYK is the price being too expensive compared to a similar and "possibly" a better brand. The servicing concern is much to think for as well, as the system is meant to last 20years, I would trust a company with a proven track record. Likewise with a reno company. No record, no talk. If I am not wrong, H20lifesource is doing distributorship plans, which amounts to somewhat like MLM. A friend of mind told me that there was certain pressure to buy after the talks... not sure if this is true, I would give some discount to that... still there is some concerns here..... In a nutshell, go to the shop which make u the most comfortable in this few areas. 1)Price 2)Quality 3)Track Record Hope it helps.. Cheers

Basically Jupiter installation by Kemp Trading is fuss free and extremely neat. The installers are very professional and make sure you are comfortable before any work is done. Furthermore they are able to explain the uses of the system and are able to provide additional information when queried. Do consider some aspect such as service support and age of the company before getting an water ionizer. Do email them at sales@jupiter.com.sg to inquire more about the system or ask for pictures of the setup. Cheers!

Hi tsy, Thanks for the input, I remembered going for the grand opening on Sept last year. Whether they started earlier, i'm not so sure. In regards to surface area, I dun think adding the number of plates or increasing the size of plates just for the sake of more surface area. Its akin in the past where supercomputers took up 1 whole entire floor, if they need more power, another floor? that's was very impractical ... Now that same power is in one personal desktop. So it is through true R&D and miniaturization that make a product smaller yet more efficient. Bigger is not better... unless its sale haha I am looking forward to see their new undersink system, hope to see some variety, the Jupiter Delphi cost S$3750 in States while here cost $2888 which is already a steal. Let hope they can price it lower.... more competition.... haha Er 10L of water a day? I think that is a very conservative figure. A standard family size of 4 that drinks 3L of water a day would consume 12L a day, that is not inclusive of the water they use to cook etc. There is not really a need for 2 filters. If I am not wrong, 1 of their filter is to soften the water, which is good for country with hard water (high minerals) like US, Europe etc, but Singapore is not hard water so there is not a need for it... plus it increases the recurring cost to maintain the system... Do consider some aspects like history, service records, local certifications before buying the product, if I am not wrong, its a "life time" (10 - 20 years) commitment when u get such a system. Cheers

Hi Tsy, Basically both system produces ionized alkaline water. The difference is what are you willing to pay for such a system. The Mavello system is a true Japanese system with 5 piece platinum n titanium plates. It is retailing at S$1388. There is a "sister" company of the Mavello producer which goes by the name of Jupiter. It is very popular in the states, europe, asia and oceanic regions. Thus it the leading water ionizer manufacturer in terms of volume and technology. A check on the web will indicate the prices in SG is far cheaper than that of similar models in the rest of the world. KYK on the other hand has only 2 system to show which is the genesis at S$2188 (5 plates) and harmony at S$1688 or something. All the talk about number 1 with only a few countries being distributed in seem really far fetched. Moreover I heard that it is not even true Korean. Assemble in Korea - yes but parts? I was tuning in on youtube and found some clips that showed a Taiwanese model named goldfox which blatantly mentioned that 1 KYY model is similar to them down to the parts inside..... I leave you to decide. About the number of plates... generally I heard plates are already maxed out at 5 and more plates will just burn a bigger hole in the pocket. I think 7 plates are not in sg yet too. History on the companies, Kemp Trading has been around for over 21 years.. while a check on H20lifesouce indicate about 1 year max. As such systems have quite a long life span, a reliable service provider is definitely a better bet. Hope it helps.

Hi flameternity, Sorry for the delay... been bz at work Thanks for the input, As for the iodine test I would probably need to see how the test is done to confirm if it is true. One reason is in chemistry 101, A + B= product + energy(heat) so there if a change being effected in the area then there will be gas(foam),heat etc... As for oil, small water clusters will be able to interact with oil thus you were able to see it floating on the surface of the water. No really sure about the smallest in the world tag but still small enough for some sort of interation. I stand corrected, but Singpaore water is really neutral or mildly alkaline depending on the area we live in Singapore. I have ppl telling me their water in the west in alkaline, while the central is neutral.. Where did you see acidic? As for energized water, its basically ionizing water molecules with current and splitting them apart. So with such system, normal water is split to ionized -oh water (Alkaline) and +h water (acidic). This not just happens to the water but the minerals as well so eg calcium compound is now Ca2+ or something like that. When matter is being charged it is considered energized, when it is energized it will be more than willing to donate its energized charge away. So it will act as an antioxidant by donating charged ions to free radicals. This happens as soon as possible. look forward to hear from you

Hi flameternity, Its really great that you are interested in such unique interest, i always get a funny look whenever i talk to ppl about water with such passion... At least now i am not alone haha The water system you are mentioning would probably be the Pi water system (hexagonal brand) This system uses a special filter system, which provides the alkalinity. However I am not sure how it make ions out of water. From what I understand there must me a seperation of charges to make ions (something like the air ionizers) using electricity. If the system does not use electricity or split the water up, then its not ionized but something else, maybe you could enlighten me on this aspect. On the iodine experiment.... was there foam on the surface of the water? If there was then there is a reaction, if not, then its just diluted. The reason I am saying this is that alot of benefits rest solely on ionization. If there are ions there will be micro clusters, antioxidant and even emulsification of oil. Did you try mixing that water with oil? I have also seen the rusting of the iron nails experiment, was wondering how long then the rust took place... with cal water. The reason is that if the water is so stable to prevent oxidation of the iron nails for a long time, then I do not think that it is antioxidant because antioxidant is unstable by nature and will oxidize asap. Maybe I am wrong would hope you could give inputs on this. pH is important, especially alkalizing diet to fight off the acidic waste building up in our bodies like Dr. Robert Young mentioned in "The pH Miracle" However its the way how ppl Alkalizes that worries me. Some use chemicals which are toxic to the body in larger quantity. I think the calcium and volcanic rock do provide such alkality as they are alkaline in nature, but nothing last forever and would need changing depending on the amount of water it filtered. This cannot be measured and thus we do not know if the pH is constant or have drop which is troublesome is a society that demands minimal effort with maximum gains. Hope to hear from you...

Hi Flameternity, Thanks for the input on the washing... it is indeed true that people do raise eyebrowns on your parents willing to do the brushing However I think that a few points you raised are abit debatable. One of them is point 1 which you say is the world's smallest water cluster. As a scientist by training, smallest water molecules cluters do not belong to water filter systems but rather RO water systems or ionized water systems. Reason being this, RO uses superfine filter membranes(smaller than just normal systems) which forces water clusters to breakup to tiny clusters. Ionize water system uses electricity to dislodge the wan de wal bonds (electric bonds) between water molecules. These are then the smalles water clusters. The other one would be antioxidant, water in nature is netural, if there is no charged added to the water molecules, then there will not be any antioxidant properties. To test this, use iodine.. if the water is antioxidant it will clear up the yellowish colour and cause a cloud of foam on the surface, a result of a reaction that just taken place. Neutral of higher pH water is definately does not have disinfectant properties. Only water molecules that are charged will provide this antiseptic properties as they attack bacteria by making them unstable. On the pH level, I doubt that this pH will maintain at a constant level as water is basically netural. It is the mineral in the filter that provides this alkality. However do becareful on how this alkality is achieved. There are 2 ways. One is by ionizing, while the other is by chemicals such as sodium/magnesium bicarbonate, hydroxide. Too much of this chemicals are not good for the body as they are not ionized and will remain in the body. Do feel free to discuss what I have mentioned. My interest is to make sure people understand the concepts on water.

Hi flameternity, Gosh is diamond that expensive??? Thought it was cheaper... The marvello system (Japan) and Jupiter system (Korea) are similar systems. There are many models to choose from and with that choice of pricing as well. The price ranges from the low 1.4k to the high 2.8k (Designer model i think) As for maintainance... its practically free of it other than a filter change every year which cost me $120. Another thing is there is no such thing as 0 filter change... Filters need to be changed every once in the while to prevent accumulation of toxin that are trapped as well as possible bacteria growth (which causes foul smell in the water filter if used over the limit) However saying that, the marvello and Jupiter is not the same as diamond. Marvello and Jupiter avocate ionized alkaline water consumption to remove acid waste buildup in the body which is not provided by diamond. This is the major factor. Their no. 62725337.. a home demo is possible too with no obligations, just to understand the types of water better... Actually UV kill bacteria if it is kept exposed for a while, which is actually a min of 20min. Therefore there is no way uv in a water system can kill bacteria. If you want cheap filteration systems, it would have to be fix to the tap. However saying that, singapore is totally safe and is drinkable, so the need for filter is minimized. however the water we have is not enhanced, therefore that is a avenue to explore if the family want another alternative to better health through the drinking of enhanced water

It really depends on the system you want and the type of water u are looking for. Marvello is a alkaline ionizer water system which is totally different from other water system like diamond. The price is a lot cheaper yet, I should say the cost price of marvello is no where cheaper than diamond. There are many other benefits such as antioxidant activity, micro cluster water etc. I believer they do home demos if you are unavaliable to see it at their show room. Pm me if u would like more information before looking for them

I had that for almost 10 years, my mom agrees that it is a good item to have around.. However its kind of noisy and bulky... but other than that, its better than other vacum cleaners

Nah that is not true, but what is true is that if u are buying diamond then u are effectively buying 10 - 15X the price of a std filter. (all std filters comes with carbon, space age fibers, silver etc) Water system should be not about filtering as singapore water is truly drinkable from the tap, but enhancing the water coming out from the tap to maximise its benefits.

Actually, Singapore water is clean enough for consumption directly from the tap. You should be concern on how to enhance that water to provide better health benefits rather than just hydration.

Actually, Singapore water is clean enough for consumption directly from the tap. You should be concern on how to enhance that water to provide better health benefits rather than just hydration. $2.4k is kinda pricy.

Actually, Singapore water is clean enough for consumption directly from the tap. You should be concern on how to enhance that water to provide better health benefits rather than just hydration.