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Think because of FengSui that why most of them said that. Fire(stove)....water(sink)... they don't like each other so they don't face each other

Your comments are not nasty, just some of them are incorrect only. Maybe because u are just a house owner so some of the things or how its work you had not come across to. If providing the correct information, its will help the rest, but if to provide misleading information, this may cause the initial trust that the house owner and the ID/contractor built up to become suspicious and many unwanted doubts. Don't be offended on my comment on yours. Just to check if the following quote is ok for my 5rm Resale (121sqm). Demolition Works Supply labour to hack off existing ceramic floor tiles for living, dining, balcony and 4 bedrooms ($1,460) Supply labour to remove existing copper poping and wiring for whole house ($200) Supply labour to remove existing kitchen cabinet and wall hung cabinet at kitchen ($350) Supply labour to hack off existing flooring and wall tiles for kitchen ($650) Supply labour to hack off existing wall tiles for main balcony ($280) Supply labour to hack off existing flooring and wall tile for master toilet ($450) Supply labour to hack off existing flooring and wall tile for common toilet ($450) Supply labour to hack off existing concrete sin and stove support ($80) Supply labour to remove WC and accessories at master bath ($40) Supply labour to remove WC and accessories at common bath ($40) Since going to hack both toilet, why your contractor still charging you for removing the accessories? It can be charged at and can also not be charged at. This depend on the individual ID/contractor. WC, basin, accessories are basically manual dismantle, not like wall or floor tiles that they use a hacking tools to hack. It need to dismantle the water piping and with so many t-blog ard here, did we come across the WC in 1 pc(maybe the base is damaged) or the WC is in many broken pc? Subtotal : $4,000 Masonry Works Supply labour and material to construct a path of wall using 63mm hollow block for 1 bedroom ($850) Supply labour and material to lay (600x600)mm Homogenous flooring for living, dining, balcony, 4 bedrooms with skirting ($6,800) Supply labour and material to lay Ceramic wall tiles for main balcony ($950) Supply labour and material to lay Homogenous flooring at kitchen ($850) Supply labour and material to lay Ceramic wall tiles at a path of parapet height wall for both side ($550) Supply labour and material to lay Ceramic wall tiles at kitchen ($1,850) Supply labour and material to lay Homogenous flooring for master toilet ($550) Supply labour and material to lay Ceramic wall tiles for master toilet ($1,200) Supply labour and material to lay Homogenous flooring for common toilet ($550) Supply labour and material to lay Ceramic wall tiles for common toilet ($1,100) Make sure it's listed down the price of tiles availble. $3.50 psf?? Apply waterproofing membrane for master and common bath and kitchen ($450) Supply labour and material to construct a path of wall parapet height using 63mm hollow block at sink area ($380) Supply labour and material to install 1no rubbish chute cover ($180) Supply labour and material to construct 50mm height L-shape kistchen cabinet base ($200) Supply labour and material to construct 50mm washing machine base ($80) Supply labour and material to contruct 50mm fridge base ($100) Why is there $20 difference..most contractors quote the same pricing for both, usually $80 bucks..However, i go away with the construction of the 2 motar kerbs, as it's no longer practical for such kerbs. Fridge is bigger than washing machine, so there is different. If to put it at the same price, will the house owner ask why the washing machine base is smaller and u charge it as the same price for the fridge? Isn't this very tricky? Supply labour and material to construct 4 nos of wooden door frame ($480) Subtotal : $17,140 Plumbing Works Supply and install standard S/S piping for the whole house ($750) Supply and install inlet/outlet for sink and washing machine ($100) Supply and install hot and cold piping work for common and master toilet shower area ($120) Supply labour to install 1 sink, 2 toilet bowls, basin, mixer taps, water heater and toilet accessories ($650) Make sure they list down what are the accessories that they will help you to install. How many toilet accessories can there be, mirror, toilet paper holder, bidet spray, toilet hooks, etc...u supply them the items, they install them and is as simply as that. Subtotal : $1,620 Doors, Aluminium and Glass Work Supply and install aluminium bi-fold door for common toilet ($180) Supply and install aluminium casement and sliding window in (NA colour) for whole house ($2,850) Supply and install aluminium grilles (NA colour) for whole house ($1,100) Supply and install 1 no aluminium sliding foor c/w tempered glass at kitchen entrance ($780) Supply and install 5 nos designer wooden door ($1,420) What designer door? Who's the designer? The cost of a 'Natuk' door costs around $200. Ask your contractor which country and who is the designer for the door? I think what the contractor mean is designed wooden door which is veneer door. I think u also referring for a Nyatoh door. Yes, it cost $200, u going to self-collect, install and vanish/paint yourself? Supply and install 10mm thick tempered glass fixed panel at master toilet ($280) Supply and install 10mm thick tempered glass swing door at master toilet shower area ($330) Supply and install 10mm thick tempered glass between cabinet area ($1,250) Supply and install 10mm thick tempered frosted glass swing door at master toilet entrance ($380) Make sure the dimension of the glass is listed down. However, i think it's a little bit expensive? Ask if they can show you demostration of 'Tempered' glass? Some are very standard items, eg. if the entrance of the doorway is H7ft x L3ft, don't think anyone will do H6.5ft x L2.5ft right? Some based on floor plan and didn't take actual dimension or some take measurement but all these are not totally necessary if not it will be like at the house for 4hrs just to take the whole house measurement which a lot of the house owners do not have the keys of the unit or they just arrange with the seller for the convenient. And some asked 2 or more ID/contractor to take the measurement on that day itself so a lot of things need to do it fast fast. Also like to ask, how to show demonstration of 'Tempered' glass?I'm really curious about it. Re-vanished existing wooden main door ($180) What they use to re-vanish? Gold flakes? Super expensive lor... Maybe because there are a lot scratches need to sand off, but maybe only. Subtotal : $8,750 Plastering / False Ceiling works Supply labour and material to construct L-box for living and dining area ($950) Give dimension. I don't think it's this expensive. My contractor can give me L box for free, and yours cost almost 1k?? Yes, your contractor can give u for free but does it mean that there are other items he/she is charging u more? Supply labour and material to construct false ceiling for main entrance ($280) Supply labour and material to construct false ceiling C/W center panel for master bedroom ($780) Supply labour and material to construct false ceiling for outside store room ($150) Supply labour and material to construct false ceiling for master toilet ($230) Supply labour and material to box up master toilet drainage pipe ($180) I suggest not to plaster up the pipes...cos if next time got leakage, you can't see and it will spoil your plaster also. I believe this is very individual, some really don't like to see piping and they willing to take the risk. Supply labour and material to plaster whole house ($2,200) Make sure they show you the 'water' level at every single corner. Any place not level, immediately ask them to level. Plastering only mean making the walls more smooth but doesn't mean to make it level, pls don't be mistaken. If anyone able to plaster the walls smooth, straight and level, pls let me know, cos I will sure engage him. Human are doing the plastering, not machine. If really want it to be level, I don't think it will be that cost already, much higher than that. Supply labour and material to construct parapet height wall at bedroom 3 ($350) Subtotal : $5,120 Carpentry Works Design and fabricate L1050mm full height shoe rack near entrance in laminate finishing C/W swing door ($950) Provide dimension, number of shleves, types of laminates available to choose from. Design and fabricate L-Shaped post system full height walk-in wardrobe in PVC laminate finishing include internal shelving and drawers for master bedroom ($1,850) Provide dimension, type of post system used, brand etc..Plus the different layout of your wiw. Remember, the brand very impt. Design and fabricate L37ft top and bottom built-in kitchen cabinet in laminate finishing c/w swing door and frosted glass panel ($4,280) All your requirement for drawer size, opening direction etc must all be listed down. Solid top not included? Design and fabricate 1 no wooden sliding door C/W mirror in front at walk-in wardrobe entrance ($760) My wardrobe mirror only costs $80. Shouldn't the door for your wiw comes together with the 2nd item in carpentary? Already charge you close to 2k, now asking another $700 ++ Come on, it already is WIW, so this mirror door is at another location rather than with the wardrobe itself so is another cost. And btw, your contractor charge $80 for your wardrobe mirror, isn't this suppose to be free? Design and fabricate L2300mm full height wooden partition wall **** area ($850) Design and fabricate 1 no wall hung basin cabinet C/W mirror and solid surface top ($880) You not buying those off-shelf wall hung basin? Ask for type of solid surface top used. Supply and install anti slam accessories for kitchen cabinet for low portion only ($320) Wah he really carrot you. 1 Blum anti slam device only costs $6 if you purchase directly from them. somemore he quote only lower cabinet? How about your other drawers in shoe cabinet, wardrobe etc? Errr....which country u buy the Blum anti slam device from...$6? 1 cabinet door need 2 Blum hinges + 1 Blumotion( which is the soft close device, so total cost ard $10 include GST. If u can get it at $6 for the set, can u get them for the forumers if they ask, cos it really cheap. If your contractor charge u $6 for just the device only, then u r the one being carrot lor Subtotal : $9,890 Painting Works Whole unit painting including pipes ICI/Nippon (5 colours) ($1,460) 5 colours got include white? Make sure it's written down the type of paint that can be used, eg 'wash n wear'. Got include painting of door frame, grill gate, pipings in toilet?? Ya, better list down the type of paint used. As for the door frame, piping, etc...some do charge, some do included. If asking Nippon to paint, they charge individual items. Subtotal : $1,460 Miscellaneous Chemical wash for whole house ($280) Make sure you are present to witness the wash. If I was u, I rather not to be, cos the smell really can't take it. General haulage and disposal of debris for the premise ($650) Crazy, HDB haulage only $200.It was mention somewhwere in the forum on this item. Make sure they throw everything. HDB don't do haulage Supply labour and materials to install solid surface top for kitchen cabinet (S1,550) Break down the cost psf. Solid top or granite? My granite kitchen top costs $90 psf with install Maybe u can list also your country of granite, thickness, any front profile and backsplash, etc... Supply labour and material to install wrought iron gate ($380) Make sure you can choose design and colour...I got mine for free from my contractor. $380 for a wrought iron gate, most likely is not galvanize. Maybe can ask for a galvanize gate, it cost more but it won't rust as fast as a normal wrought iron gate. Rewiring works and lighting installation for whole house ($2,850) Make sure it's listed down the number of powerpoints, light switch, power box, aircon transformer that is provided in the package. Make sure they change the wiring and the housing as well. You have a say in where and how the re-wiring will be allocated. Every house owner have a say in where and how the rewiring will be allocated. Seal up store room rolver with plaster board ($80) Subtotal : $5,790 Grand Total : $53,770 ohmy.gif Comment are welcome..... My comments are that the price are reasonable and if you click with the ID/contractor and he/she is trustworthy, maybe u can consider using him/her. Paying a bit more doesn't mean that the contractor/ID is out to 'carrot' u, cos, services provided, workmanship, quality of work, design, etc...all this cant really be able to compare. There always a saying "Cheap doesn't mean good and good don't come cheap" but of course some may came across the opposite of that saying and that's why we have this forum here to help one another. Happy renovating.

C&S, feel really sorry that u have to go thru this type of air-con services. Gain City air-con installers they have some good and inexperience one. Really depend on luck to get those good ones. So far for those gain city installers that I've met they had no give me any problem yet. wishing all the best to your reno.

The price is reasonable. Even if you can get a lot better price outside also doesn't mean that the services, workmanship and material are the same. If you click with the ID/contractor and he/she is trustworthy, why not give it a try?

I remembered that your unit is a condo and your t-blog just stopped half-way. Thought u went MIA. What happened?

Congrat!! Looking forward to see more reno progress pics.

Just got the new catalog from EDL if your ID/contractor still showing u the black magic catalog, then u are losing out. Depend on the type of laminate u chose, if u want to know better, use your hse key to scratch it and see does it able to withstands scratches not? Glossy laminate tend to scratch easily. Turn yellowish or not......eg. will a white t-shirt turn yellowish over times?

Ask kor to recommend his curtain maker....very good design sense.

Yes Bro...keeping up with the times and if got $$$, will do crystal top by ceaserstone.....cost ard $20K per piece.

Yes, they do have. Need to go for courses provided by Blum before the carpenter know how to install it. This is your ID's carpenter able to solve the issues?

Beside looking different, the pros and cons still the same for the rest of the well-know brands. Now only waiting to see if the scratches are oblivious or not.

That's good. Maybe because it was lunch time and everyone still didn't take their lunch yet so there are so many comments. As saying "A hungry man is an angry man". So after lunch, everyone are cooled down and we can moves on....life is short and tough, why make it harder? Be happy always.

Bro, 2 different things to mix it together. Relax, take it easy.

Replacement of damaged tiles and water proofing cost due to water leakage, this Martin won't be paying a single cent on it. If HDB is involved, the contractor had to solve the issues not the house owner and all damage will be borne by the contractor him/herself. Regard on the counter top, not sure how they cut the hole but top or undermount sink placement, the dimension won't be different by so much. As I do not know the actual situation, I can't really advise on what it can be do without additional cost incurred. From my experience, the person who come to do the measurement will actually use a lot of small piece of plywood to create a mould of the kitchen top including the opening of the hod and kitchen sink hole. So be it top or undermount sink, the hole is still the same. Maybe because what Martin brought a top mounted sink, that why the cesarstone assume that and when they do the cutting of the hole, it not straight and the edges are not polished. But that my point of views, only knowing the situation itself then able to comment better. This make us outsiders better to stand aside before pointing here and there. If the scratches are not too oblivious or too eye sores maybe can ask Martin to close a eye or deduct some amount rather than getting too work up on that. Sometime reno will have delay and this should factor in too as unforeseen events do happen. The family can still move in not necessary to be only handover than can move in. Look at me, feature wall not done yet, kitchen not 100% ready, wardrobe not done yet, my family also moved in. Ask Martin to listen to Tommy Page "Shoulder to cry on" it will feel much better. Come on we are man, cry on a stranger shoulder rather than your love e....isn't it strange?

Actually I shouldn't be posting on this thread especially this involve to another contractor/ID. But a lot of us have actually forgotten about the rules and regulations set here and due to angry or whatever, they're using words that are not suppose to. How Martin got banned by mod..is maybe mainly because of (b) Badmouthing, Slandering and Personal Attacks While we allow members to share their experiences, we will not tolerate companies, agencies (or anyone with personal agenda) badmouthing/defaming other companies. If found guilty, the party will be blacklisted and banned immediately. Personal attacks/flaming on fellow forumers, consultants and their businesses, moderators or staffs at RenoTalk will not be tolerated. (f) Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others. The mod. and admin have the rights to banned members if they found breaking the rules and regulations. Moreover they are quite active in the forum themselves. So waikwok better stop assuming who and who informed the mod. or admin. give others a benefit of doubts.

Darkfear....marsbar want curtains ...u want some recommendation not? There are some good curtain marker recommended by forumers here.

If using 1 Blum soft closing not able to, then try using 2 Blumotion. They are also another way to rectify this issues as the Blumotion also come with individual piece with don't need to click onto the Blum hinges.

Lamchuan, Jennings, EDL, price and quality they are the same, only design. The four top laminate catalog that I've for house owners to choose are Formica, EDL, Jennings and LamChuan. LamiTak the sale persons too 'yaya' so I don't really like their services even my carpenter also don't like them too. If only house owner request if not I will not bother to take out their laminate at all.

Issues with the ID? Hope is just a small hiccups and the issues able to rectify fast.

For the kitchen cabinet carcass, I'm using plywood, as for the doors, I'm using block boards sandwiched by plywood. All material have their pros and cons, just using something that will last longer. Plywood is stronger compare to MDF or chipboard, but is heavier so if was to use it for the doors, over the times, the doors will start to "kiss" each other. This my 3rd renovation. The first was using block board for the door and after 6yrs, still ok. The 2nd was using plywood for the doors and less than 3 mths, some of the doors started to 'kiss' each other. So my 3rd reno, I'm using block boards. If u really want to know the advantages and disadvantages of each material, u can go to the website at under my signature where I've wrote it at another forum. Not sure how to compare the material used in Europe and here (cos never been there before). If really wanted me to answer on that, the followings are just my point of views. 1) Weather. We don't have 4 seasons but they do. 2) Woods. Different type of wood grown. 3) Processing. They may have high tech machine to process the wood but we lack of space and $ (or even technology and skills). 4) Laminate. We use laminate to glue to the plywood but if was to do that there, due to expansion and contraction (4 seasons), will the laminate not give way first? 5) Cost. If wanted a quality cabinet, use marine plywood wasn't it be better but the cost....... Actually a lot factors are affecting our choices, everyone want good quality materials but the cost of it we can afford but not willing to pay the price for that. For Europe, the people brought a house and can stay there for a very very long time. We may sell the flat when the MOP is up and the price is good

Thanks, thanks.. When your house warming?

Chances to dismantle it and service the piping is maybe 7yrs onwards or the moment u start using it. Why was it so was because in the first place, if was not installed properly for the water discharge piping, it will leak from the joint when u start using your air-con. If not, it will leak from your unit first if the piping is chocked. So good maintenance will last longer. Gas leakage is possible also but maybe 6 years onwards or the same, the moment u start using it. But the chances for those 2 to happen is quite slim.

U doing research for all brand of laminate flooring??

Wish you all the best and if you have some photos to show the bad workmanship that will be better cos a pic speak better than a thousand words.