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Hi Whitefantasy; I'm not sure the billing is going to be a factor for your consideration of A/C purchase. As this model did cross my mind. I was however put off by the low COP (Coefficient of Performance or COP means the ratio of the total cooling capacity expressed as Watts to the total effective input power expressed as Watts) (also 2 ticks) and if compared to a Daikin/ Sanyo sys3 non-inverter; assuming running all 3 aircoils at 8hrs daily.. the electricity bill is expected to cost $250 more per year according to NEA. cheers.

Hi daikin & first. Many thanks for taking great lengths to explain and to answer my quires. It does brought out some considerable thoughts.. After some considerations; there are still a couple of figures which are not within my grasp; manufacturers specs like COP for all aircon compositions; As my current requirements are 2x 9000 BTU for 2 bedrooms and a 12000BTU. (fyi for new A/C seekers: a general guide to calculate your BTU requirements is length (m) x Breath (m) x 600) And for non-inverter, it would naturally narrow down to Daikin MA56EV1-20267BTU + 2x FD25DVM + FD35DVM. Unfortunately NEA does not have the figures for this combination; hence I'm assuming it would come close or near of Daikin MA56EV1-20267BTU 3x FD25DVM. Would certainly KIV the invertors should there be a sale that comes along, that justify the additional cost. once again, thanks for the input guys.

Continuing with reply from NEA; Qn:How do you obtain the figures on part "Load/ Full Load COP" anyway? Can't seem to find any figures that attribute to the figures from the manufactuers brouchure. Ans : These figures are provided to NEA after the manufacturers have tested their model/units at an accredited/in-house testing laboratory. COP 100% is defined as the ratio of total cooling capacity to effective power input at full load cooling capacity. Hence, the larger the COP, the more energy efficient is the air conditioner unit. Having said this, any purchase will have to take into consideration the cooling capacity relative to the space to be cooled (i.e. no need to go for a high capacity unit for a small room, when a lower capacity one will suffice). Qn: How did you obtain the figures on "cooling capacity" I'm assuming it the sum of fan coil 1 cooling capacity + coil 2 cooling capacity+ coil 3 cooling capacity? Still it doens't adds. Ans : The various air conditioner manufacturers will be in a better position to advise on how they derive their cooling capacity figures. Qn Can I assume that even If I power up only one fan coil (for one room out of three rooms), both inverters & non-inverters will consume the same full energy (for the compressor-outdoor unit)? which is equivalent to the Full load on the annual energy consumption? Just on the understanding that inverter will attenuate to half load when it reaches steady-state? Ans : Let’s take an example. If you are running the air con for only short periods of time per day, both inverters and non-inverters energy consumption should be similar, assuming that they are both similar cooling capacity and consumes similar effective power input (since the compressor will be at full capacity). However if you are running the air cons at longer periods, then you will be able to see the difference in consumption between the inverters and non-inverters. We are not in a position to advise on the length of these operating periods as these are dependent on the features and operating modes of individual air con models. We hope that we have sufficiently answer your queries. Under the Mandatory Energy Labelling Scheme (MELS), manufacturers / suppliers are required to send in their test reports (tested in accordance to a prescribed ISO / JIS standard) with specific information before they are issued an Energy Label for each model of air conditioners. NEA does not do the physical testing of the air conditioner units. This explains why manufacturers are in a better position to explain how certain figures such as cooling capacity are derived.

Hi Ihuazai If I would only to choose between the two; Mayfair. I love the plushness of Sealy pillowtop. However, before we go any further; may I refer you to "How to cut through the marketing gimmicks of Sealy, Serta, and the rest. " After much consideration; I ended up spending about $2k for a Queen-size KingKoil latex top pocketed mattress. If you insist on Sealy; consider Saphhire from Harvey Norman at Millenium Walk.

Yes yes, the long awaited apartment. 3 cheers!

A reply from NEA Just to explain the difference between a non-inverter and an inverter air conditioner unit – a normal non-inverter compressor unit will operate with an on-off sequence during the operation of the air conditioner i.e. it will run at constant full speed when cooling the room, and then stops for a period of time when the room is sufficiently cooled to the desired temperature. As for an inverter unit, the compressor may operate at varying speeds i.e. at full speed during the start-up phase and then slows down to operate at Half Load (which may not necessarily be at 50% of the full load) when the room is sufficiently cooled. Such actions explain the terms “Full Load” and “Part Load”. A normal thumb-of-rule is that the combined energy consumption will be equivalent to (0.4*Full Load + 0.6*Half Load). The database found in http://els.nea.gov.sg/mels/aircon.asp includes the estimated annual electricity consumption (AEC) figures for all air conditioners. The mandatory energy label help provide an basis comparison of the energy efficiency of the air conditioner units. A 4-tick air conditioner tends to be more energy efficient as compared to a 3-tick model with a similar cooling capacity. Kindly note that the exact electricity consumption will depend on a combination of many factors, such as the usage of the air-conditioner unit, the temperature of the room, the physical condition of the air conditioner unit etc. The energy consumption figure is measured in accordance to prescribed test standards. Using this measured result multiplied by 365 days would give you Annual Energy Consumption of the model. Depending on the current electrical tariff, you can calculate the annual estimated energy cost of operating the air conditioner. With regards to the link provided in your email, while it is true that an inverter model will consume less energy when operating at half-load, it will be difficult to determine the period at which a compressor is operating at full-load or half-load as this would depend heavily on the individual model type and its operational mode. If you require any further clarification, please contact us at NEA_energylabel@nea.gov.sg or 6731-9952. Regards

May I recommend you to visit your desired ID " Artrend Design Pte Ltd." They would probably set the benchmark and you work your way base on that.. There's some highly referred contractors and IDs here, as well.. Designer House, ID note, A-Decor to name a few; May I ask of you to visit some of the T-blogs to view their work.. better still ask the forumers whom engaged them. ps: I've engaged Edmund from A-Decor, price is very reasonable. Renovation have yet started hence I can't provide any feedback yet. PM Ossify & Jaskel. i believe they may have lobangs as well. All the best.

Hi First, thanks for sharing the NEA website, after examining though the database.. the figures do demostrates that Inverter would save compared to non-inverters. >But the figures is on assumption that e.g a system 3 is running all 3 fan coils. Am I correct? >However, I still couldn't really comprehen how the NEA obtain the figures; >How did they obtain the part Load/ Full Load COP anyway? >Is the figure of COP the higher the better? I also noted the vast figures between the half load and full load. However how do you tell if compressor runs at 50% or 100%? As you mentioned, load will vary from zero to 100% load. Usually air con will get better efficiency when running at 50% load.? My interpretation is that the A/C will probably initialise at 100% and slowly attentuate to 50% load when it reaches steady-state of desired temperature; as such the Cost figures of half load nor full load be an accurate guide since the system flucatuate between the two? >Any comments on this? My situation is that I would be purchasing a Sys3 for my 2 bedroom+ 1 Hall. Of which, I would say that only one of the bedroom will be running the Aircon, on average 8 hours per day. I use to assume that Half load equates to A/C running 1 out of the 3 systems.. which is probably not true.. Thus far, after visiting 3 major Aircon retailers, most have recommended the purchase of non-inverter; on basicis that the savings is minimum and not able to breakeven the inital purchase price of the inverter Aircon. That is my understanding so far, any forumers/ Aircon gurus would like to comment about this? (I've email and called NEA for their tabulations but thus far they have yet responded.)

Hello and welcome to renotalk. Congrats on your newly aquired apt. Nice corner unit you have, but it's rather rare to see a 3-STD, I almost choose a std but give it a miss due to the wierd toliet layout. The cost of renovation really depends on what you wish to do to you apt, with $15k, you can do a basic make-over like what forumer stray801 did. He mentioned he redid the whole house, rewire, repipe with kitchen cabinet at some 12+k At 25k, you would probably be getting better quality materials, with feature walls stuffs.. etc You can tell the I/D what you saw from Artrend Design, better still if you can conceptualized and show them then ask them to give a quotation. Don't be too fast to commit onto an ID/ Contractor.. get at least 3 quotes and get a feel of the pricing. Last but not least, do take some time to look at the T-Blog chat This is where they post up their reno process. Like you, I started like a noob and pick up slowly. Gurus like Ossify and Jaskel are a gem to this forum, they are usually very approachable. Hope this helps.

I'm assuming you wanna install a sliding door from the kitchen entrance to the corridor window? You may try Besglas and ask for their wardrobes sliding doors (their normal sliding doors are a little more costly as it includes locking mechanism which I assume you don't need) prices ranges depending mainly on length, as well as on top-hang only? mirrored surfaces and so on. You may try closet design/ closet robe.. those WIW and ask for their sliding doors, I remember seeing bifolds as well from their showrooms. Hope this helps.

Hi Was informed that the fair would last through this week at JE bus interchange. It's a Panasonic A/C promotion.

Hi DivineParadise, Sales will come and go.. Wait and observe if you have time to spare, the 'sales price' will come again. And don't get pushed by sales-talk, with those "only this weekend sales" nonsense. As like IT fair, I believe there would be the home/ design fair@ expo, seems like a quarterly affair. The dutchess spelled 11" from sleeppost.com Most queen size bedsheet should be able to accomodate up to 14". Do check on the labels before you purchase the next time. It should be indicated. cheers.

Hi Hamster06 Besides having conventional wardrobes with swing-open door, the 'pole-system' normally comes with a Sliding-door or Open-concept ("Walk-In-Wardrobe" or WIW) which is gaining popularity. These normally comes with 2 pole structures (up to 3cm thick) as skeleton to hold the shelves/ drawers in place. Google "pole system wadrobe" and you will find many images of these. To add to dbkungfu listing; Below are some of the pole system retailers, bear in mind that the list may not be exhuastive. lumierawardrobe Excel opsh cupboards Alumix & ximula closetdesign closetrobe The main bulk of the cost mainly comes from the (A) length of the wardrobe that you have and (B) the choice of sliding door. (A) Most pole system costs by the your desired length, however do note that Alumix/Ximula (both are of the same company, diff is that Ximula is the premier range) and Excel charges by the number of desired shelves/ hanging rods/ poles as tabulated cost. And of course, a drawer may cost more and hence normally they would give you one per pole-system. Opsh, Closetdesign & Closetrobe goes by per foot run; they charge a certain price for the first XX feet and additonal amt ($200$250) for additional foot run. However these retailers can give you UNLIMITED amt for shelves/ drawers/ pigeon holes you want for your wardrobe. (B) Sliding door: Lumierawardrobe allows any choice of sliding door be it mirrored surface at no additional costs, however most other retaiers requires additional top-ups. Special mirrored surface like bronze/ grey would cost more than normal ones. And some retailers have a wide span of doors to choose from; laminates to glass to mirror. It's all about money. Only Alumix/Ximula have the choice of top-hang tracks only, as they are the manufacturer of Besglas. And of course, should you have WIW, you do not need this door. Cost: very competitive, each has it's Pros & Cons. I was eyeing on pole-system for my WIW & a mirrored sliding door for my shoe/ TV console. Excel maybe the cheapest , but unfortunately it chalked up to be hefty with when i desired to have 20 shelves in mind. It is also limited to 60cm/ 80cm shelves which doesn't justify my TV. On this in mind closetdesign/closetrobe/osph maybe more ideal. Closetdesign & Closetrobe has an additional choice of "Flexy" wardrobe- this is a non-pole system but rather shelves, which may proof to be more fuctional Do visit their showrooms: Alumix@TPY, Closetdesign@Balestier/Jln Basar, Closetrobe@Ubi Ave & OSPH@ Simes Ave. For quotes specific to your needs. Hope this clears things up.

Impressive work for both these HDBs, The Balinese Style feels pretty resort-like.. a unconvectional but bold statement for the owners' biz. Thanks for sharing Ronald. *thumbs up*

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OMG! this is poor worksmanship, "Tuo Gong Jian Liao" and skyve on the underside. Thanks for alerting the rest of the forumers.

Sorry to hear of your unpleasant experience; maybe he had a bad day. Alternatively you may wanna return to the Expo dunlopillo shop. It's from the Plaza. Have PM you the shop Shah was really nice and when I mentioned I was deciding bet King Koil and Dunlopillo, he was kind to indrocuce me to the KK promoter next door.

Syukur, I was eyeing on the same piece, it's the last mattress on the left before the table right? The queen size displayed the discounted price at $1299. Wanted to go with a storage divan that will bill up to $1.6k+ Eventually we choose Rosedale 11", displayed discounted price of $1750. With storage divan, just above $2k. IMHO, this Kingkoil sale is worth considering (today's last day), been looking ard HN, courts, bedz. cheers. Dr.Anarchy So, why would Dunlopillo not stick to dunlop process, which started by them but obtain from tatalay process? Old technology?

If my memory didn't fail me, it says natural latex. It's a King Koil mattress. Doc, you purchased Getha eventually? Seems like you have done an extensive homework. Good on you.

Oh dear, didn't know about latex sagging procerss. I remembered the sales person mentions that Latex wouldn't sag.

Hi, is your SANYO an Inverter aircon? I'm deciding between Sanyo and Mitsubishi Non-Inverter System 3, Seems like price is somewhat similar, one is made in China and another from Thailand? Any inputs? TYIA.

cool. thanks. I will be heading down to Sungei Kadut, there's a KING KOIL Sale at Matu****a over the weekends. Noted the 700 deal from beds.sg thanks. but would need a headboard hence will still costs $950 The tiffany looks pretty nice. Not bad. It has the royal look

You may want to check out mirror Made for U. It's a cheaper quote than another mirror specialist.

Thanks for sharing jjcc, will KIV the 'new dutchess' as well, the thicker Latex is more comfortable than the former. Was told that it's an inch thicker. The old dutchess would amount $2099 while new dutchess would amount to $2299, both with all freebies (mattress protector+2 pillows) and storage divan (as personally I'm looking for storage) Was told that the storage divan is about $1k, seems like EXPO (dealers from Plaza) are offering the same price. You may want to check out beds.sg. they offer my storage divan at $860 so, with that in mind, I could save $140. Oic thanks Ashanti, any deformities with the foam on a closer look? I'm hessistant on getting foams for pillowtop after some feedback from popular brands.. I might just get a replaceable piece; microgel pillowtop from Kingcoils@ $189 (queen-size) during their sales price.

wow, is there such a flim? I only understand that privacy flim works when your environment is darker than outside. Just like the police interrogration room is usually bright where the observatory room is pitch dark. Do correct me if I'm wrong?