seriously all of you rather suffer in silence and air your grievances in forums instead of going to the police? act wat are you all afraid of or waiting for? even if cant get back your moneys, at least dun let the old bugger go scot-free.

I realise fairness is relative in this issue... It depends which point of view you are looking from. There really is no right answer whichever way the money goes to... The disagreement can go on for another 20 pages and still there will not be a consensus.

In my humble opinion, lets concentrate on how else to help the affected homeowners and not contribute to more grieve over the money issue.

Hopefully my post is the last post on this money issue.

Wishing all a brand new start to Year 2010!! HUAT AH!!!

=)

wah... so much arguement over the 2670.. (remember buy 4D this weekend).

hopefully i can win 2 big 6 small first prize... hahahahahah

happpppyyyyyy newwwwwww yearrrrrrrr.......

to bro jaskel

.... dont waste ur time helping... do ur own thing.. as earlier i did mention... wash ur hands off all nonsense.. and make more money not enemies..

Jaskel tried to help people then ended up with so much problems.

Sigh, bro, I feel you man.

Jaskel tried to help people then ended up with so much problems.

Sigh, bro, I feel you man.

JASKEL是 真 的 在 帮 我 们 ， 还 有 好 几 个 跟 我 们 一 样 伸 手 让 他 握 的 受 害 者 也 是 受 到 他 无 条 件 的 帮 助 ， 因 为 我 都 亲 眼 看 见 他 帮 助 出 来 的 成 果 ， 他 真 的 牺 牲 了 和 家 人 的 时 间 在 我 家 和 我 老 公 一 起 DIY， 一 起 工 作(有 时 还 做 到 凌 晨 ， 因 为 他 必 须 顾 好 自 己 的 工 程 后 才 来 我 家 帮 我 们 做 ) ， 就 算 是 现 在 帮 我 们 做 需 要 成 本 的 东 西 他 也 是 跟 我 们 讲 好 他 可 以 拿 到 的 最 便 宜 的 价 钱 我 们 接 受 后 再 帮 我 们 先 付 钱 ，然 后 他 收 着 收 据 ， 我 们 过 后 会 再 全 部 完 成 后 再 还 他 钱，钱 先 不 谈 ， 单 单 他 付 出 的 时 间 /手 工/知 识 /顾 问 等 的 帮 助 已 经 让 我 们 感 动 不 已 ， 这 个 朋 友 真 的 能 交 ， 我 们 不 想 因 为 遇 到 一 个 我 们 付 出 信 任 结 果 背 叛 我 们 AS 后 就 对 人 失 去 信 任 信 心 ， 这 样 我 们 觉 得 做 人 很 痛 苦 ， 所 以 我 们 放 心 在 次 付 出 信 任 让 jaskel帮 我 们 处 理 剩 下 的 装 修 工 程 ， 不 要 说 义 务 ， 就 算 是 找 人 来 收 后 面 的 工 ， 很 多 承 包 商 都 不 愿 意 做 ， 就 算 收 来 做 ， 收 费 绝 对 不 便 宜 ， 所 以 我 只 想 替 jaskel说 一 句 ， 他 能 赚 的 只 是 我 们 的 信 任 ， 以 后 有关 于 装 修 的 工 我 们 一 定 找 他 ， 也 会 推 荐 给 朋 友 ， 现 在 他 帮 我 们 (还 有 几 家 屋 主 我 所 认 识 并 知 道 的 )， 我 实 在 看 不 出 他 能 赚 多 少 ？ 他 还 有 自 己 的 工 程 ， 如 果 要 赚 ， 他 还 不 如 把 帮 我 们 的 时 间 多 收 1-2 间 房 子 来 装 修 好 一 些 ， 对 吗 ？ 或 许 你 们 觉 得 我 天 真 (甚 至 笨 )， 但 是 ， 我 始 终 认 为 人 与 人 之 间 还 是 需 要 付 出 信 任 ， 这 样 才 能 过 得 开 心 ， 信 错 人 ， 就 算 了 ！ 世 上 还 是 有 很 多 有 良 心 的 好 人 的 ^^不 是 吗 ？ 不 要 再 猜 疑 了 ， 大 家 有 家可 住 ， 安 定 下 来 才 是 最 重 要 的 ^^(以 上 纯 属 个 人 心 情 想 法 ， 无 法 认 同 的 我 很 抱 歉 )-__-

Hi Jaskel,

Please kindly stop all your services to this group of affected home owners of Uncle Soon.

Please kindly focus all your resource, time and thoughts on my home.

I have been waiting patiently and really hoping to recieve my guests during year 2010 Lunar Chinese New Year.

I am quite stress up these days as I did not see anything moving for my home.

Hence, I am pleading to you to stop helping the others. Please concentrate and focus on me as I consulted and seek your help before this Uncle Soon's Saga begins.

Thank you.

Thanks, I do sleep well every night. What I'm dealing with is a wily old fox that able to make so many house owners to part with their hard earn cash and not completing the jobs. He is not as simple as he look. And is not easy to outwit him at all, need proofs, witness, etc...so as not to hand all the money back to him and also not to get myself into lawsuit too. The intention/motive was clear when he asked Mr seashell to appear on our meeting place, why fini, why jess or the rest of the victims he didn't asked. I'm not saying that seashell or her hubby had anything to do with AS, but can u all see how good this old fox is?

first of all, let me clarify why i was at the scene.

cus u posted $3K. i called AS immediately and demand him pay me $3k. he SWEAR TO ME is only $200 - if i don't believe, i can go down and witness.. he would rather i go down and be his witness...

AND, HE DID ASK ME TO ASK THE REST TO GO-- but it was a too short notice!!!

and assuming, if all the people indeed go down to the place and witness, what difference does it make?? whether i was there or ALL was there, what is the difference????

so my hubby went down. cus if he has money, HE SHOULD PAY US FIRST. my reno ACTUALLY started way back in June. first payment receipt dated 09 June 2009!

AND PLEASE STATE CLEARLY WHAT DO U MEAN BY:

"The intention/motive was clear when he asked Mr seashell to appear on our meeting place, why fini, why jess or the rest of the victims he didn't asked."

PLEASE KINDLY EXPLAIN???????

Edited December 29, 200916 yr by seashell

so what did i lost?

I paid AS in full 2months ago. only tiling & ceiling done. so, how much did i lost???!!!?????

i spent another around $18K (NOT YET THE FINAL BILL) to do the remaining work. how much did i lost???!!!?????

jaskel, u keep saying a fairer way of handling the profit, then i would say:

if there is any profit, it should be paid to me first! i not only lose money, my ex-house items still paying rental to store in the warehouse. i am staying in a room that i am paying rental. i am delayed the longest!!

10 June 2009 - now.

of course in terms of situation wise, i may not be the worst. cus i still have some money to pay and do the remaining unfinished work. other houseowners may not have the $$ and hence stuck there.. i have money to move on with my reno doesn't mean i am better off than other people.. n vice versa...

i didn't want to suggest a fairer way not because i can't think of any, it's because since this is already agreed upon among u & jesslyn and already PAID to them to do their house, so what's IS THE POINT OF SUGGESTING AGAIN????? cus when my hubby went down, u told him that money of $3k already paid for jesslyn work. so what's IS THE POINT OF SUGGESTING AGAIN?????

anyway all houseowners, all are money lost!! matter of how long the delay and how much money lost!

Edited December 29, 200916 yr by seashell

so what did i lost?

I paid AS in full 2months ago. only tiling & ceiling done. so, how much did i lost??? !! !?????

i spent another around $18K to do the remaining work. how much did i lost??? !! !?????

jaskel, u keep saying a fairer way of handling the profit, then i would say:

if there is any profit, it should be paid to me first! i not only lose money, my ex-house items still paying rental to store in the warehouse. i am staying in a room that i am paying rental. i am delayed the longest!!

10 June 2009 - now.

of course in terms of situation wise, i may not be the worst. cus i still have some money to pay and do the remaining unfinished work. other houseowners may not have the $ and hence stuck there.. i have money to move on with my reno doesn't mean i am better off than other people.. n vice versa...

i didn't want to suggest a fairer way not because i can't think of any, it's because since this is already agreed upon among u & jesslyn and already PAID to them to do their house, so what's IS THE POINT OF SUGGESTING AGAIN????? cus when my hubby went down, u told him that money of $3k already paid for jesslyn work. so what's IS THE POINT OF SUGGESTING AGAIN?????

anyway all houseowners, all are money lost!! matter of how long the delay and how much money lost!

If everyone agreed that this amount is to pay to you and is fair to them, I will give u that amount seriously because in the first place u was the one who said to share it among every victims. And btw, it doesn't agreed upon me & jesslyn all.

seriously all of you rather suffer in silence and air your grievances in forums instead of going to the police? act wat are you all afraid of or waiting for? even if cant get back your moneys, at least dun let the old bugger go scot-free.

so what did i lost?

I paid AS in full 2months ago. only tiling & ceiling done. so, how much did i lost???!!!?????

i spent another around $18K (NOT YET THE FINAL BILL) to do the remaining work. how much did i lost???!!!?????

jaskel, u keep saying a fairer way of handling the profit, then i would say:

if there is any profit, it should be paid to me first! i not only lose money, my ex-house items still paying rental to store in the warehouse. i am staying in a room that i am paying rental. i am delayed the longest!!

10 June 2009 - now.

of course in terms of situation wise, i may not be the worst. cus i still have some money to pay and do the remaining unfinished work. other houseowners may not have the $$ and hence stuck there.. i have money to move on with my reno doesn't mean i am better off than other people.. n vice versa...

i didn't want to suggest a fairer way not because i can't think of any, it's because since this is already agreed upon among u & jesslyn and already PAID to them to do their house, so what's IS THE POINT OF SUGGESTING AGAIN????? cus when my hubby went down, u told him that money of $3k already paid for jesslyn work. so what's IS THE POINT OF SUGGESTING AGAIN?????

anyway all houseowners, all are money lost!! matter of how long the delay and how much money lost!

Hi Seashell,

I am curious and will like to seek clarification on a few queries. You may wish to ignore my queries if you are feeling uncomfortable.

1. Have you lodge a formal police report? If yes, when was the lodged date and case number?

2. If no, why didn't you make a formal police report when your losses are great based on the above measly job done?

3. Do you have any transactional record/evidence to prove the amount of money you have paid for? (This will be helpful when you lodged/already lodged the police case)

Having analyzing your past posts, you do not come across to me as a forgiving person or someone who will sits back and waiting for things to happen. I am really keen to know if you have taken up the most appropriate action as proposed/suggested by many forumers - Making a formal police report.

If yes, that rests the case and I believe you have sought the best resolution to settle Uncle Soon's issue between you/your family and him.

In addition, I will like to urge all affected home-owners to seek CASE or nearby Singapore Police Force/Post to make your police record for this event. This is getting out of hand, and the best way to resolve it is through proper channel.

[My personal observation on Seashell (Mr. and Mrs)]:- (Disclaimer: Personal opinions and apologize if it's offending)

If you really lost the reported amount of 18KSGD + Full Amount (assume 20KSGD) = Your total losses is approximately 38kSGD

Based on your blog, past posts and threads - I believe you are very calculative person and indeed an unforgiving character.

a) I am wondering why are you so upset with the 3kSGD when you are very well-aware that this sum of money is being utilized for a good purpose - making a home for JesslynTan family?

b) I am also puzzled that the surplus 3kSGD was originated from another owner (Owner A). Having said that, if you wishes to spilt the 3kSGD fairly among the affected home-owners, you still need to consult the owner A approval and consensus. Have you made any attempt to speak to Owner A and understand the situation? In fact, Owner A should have the discretion to decide if the surplus should return to himself/herself instead going/flowing back to the main account? 3kSGD is a fair deal given the delay Handing Over date to Owner A; and Owner A has absolute right to demand Late H.O. penalty fees from Uncle Soon. Do you or have you ever look/review the whole situation from this perspective?

c) JesslynTan and her family situation comparing to yours - Which is critical? Who needs greater assistance? How much longer you have waited comparing to her? How big is JesslynTan unit? If you make an apple-apple comparison; given the psf to date-of-completion; JesslynTan suffers more.

d) I can feel and see you are feeling sour over the 3KSGD. You can just go on ranting over the 3KSGD. I am advising you to re-channel this energy to deal with the one who owns you a >18kSGD. This is called proper-accounting management.

e) With due respect to you, I am 32 year old and I believe you might be senior than me - Take a step back, and please do take a fair bit of time to lodge a police record instead ranting here in the forum. Why waste bandwidth and time over here when you know that there are nobody but clones (from who I aint sure) coming here making unnecessary comments?

f) One advise and repeated one - Make a police record if you have yet to make one.

Good luck. Year 2010 is coming. Be gracious and compassionate. God Bless.

Thank you.

Edited December 29, 200916 yr by yowetan

If everyone agreed that this amount is to pay to you and is fair to them, I will give u that amount seriously because in the first place u was the one who said to share it among every victims. And btw, it doesn't agreed upon me & jesslyn all.

cus when i suggested to give everyone a share, U SAID what's the point??!!

if giving the amount to me and is not fair to others,

SO giving the full amount to jesslyn, so then is fair to US???

if really want to make formal, all houseowners come forward to meet up and discuss about the money.

i lose money, jesslyn lose money, everyone lose MONEY.. all the SAME!!!

n well, u said 'it doesn't agreed upon me & jesslyn '

BUT u said that the money already PAID to do jesslyn house during the meetup at mcdonalds.

folks, this is what was said:

mr seashell: where is the $3k u mention on renotalk?

jaskel: yes there is $3k, but used to do jesslyn house (and u show the bills)

Edited December 29, 200916 yr by seashell

Hi Seashell,

I am curious and will like to seek clarification on a few queries. You may wish to ignore my queries if you are feeling uncomfortable.

1. Have you lodge a formal police report? If yes, when was the lodged date and case number?

2. If no, why didn't you make a formal police report when your losses are great based on the above measly job done?

3. Do you have any transactional record/evidence to prove the amount of money you have paid for? (This will be helpful when you lodged/already lodged the police case)

Having analyzing your past posts, you do not come across to me as a forgiving person or someone who will sits back and waiting for things to happen. I am really keen to know if you have taken up the most appropriate action as proposed/suggested by many forumers - Making a formal police report.

If yes, that rests the case and I believe you have sought the best resolution to settle Uncle Soon's issue between you/your family and him.

In addition, I will like to urge all affected home-owners to seek CASE or nearby Singapore Police Force/Post to make your police record for this event. This is getting out of hand, and the best way to resolve it is through proper channel.

Thank you.

police? did ah soon run away? did he say he doesn't want to do? he says, wait. is this a CRIME?

i am quite puzzled why u need me to show u case number? i don't even know who r u??

records? of course.

AS promise to pay me back in instalments.

well alot of people already sue him, fact is, he no money...

so assuming he goes to jail now, he will not have a chance to work n repay us.

i just can't understand why so many people keep saying police n case. CASE IS A WASTE OF TIME. PLEASE. especially for AS Case. only going to small claims may help a little, bcus it makes it legal that AS owes us money.

fyi, i am not feeling uncomfortable with your questions. but i feel, you are asking too much DETAILS - especially u are not even one of AS victimes. u should focus on your reno ....

Edited December 29, 200916 yr by seashell

first of all, let me clarify why i was at the scene.

cus u posted $3K. i called AS immediately and demand him pay me $3k. he SWEAR TO ME is only $200 - if i don't believe, i can go down and witness.. he would rather i go down and be his witness...

Posting $3K is to lure him out to meet me and the other house owners cos he been flying aeroplane to us. I've no time for that, I need to settle it with him asap.

AND, HE DID ASK ME TO ASK THE REST TO GO-- but it was a too short notice!!!

Meeting up with him is also a too short notice.

and assuming, if all the people indeed go down to the place and witness, what difference does it make?? whether i was there or ALL was there, what is the difference????

There will be a big difference, cos I will settle with Ah Soon and close the case. U all will settle with me on the amount.

so my hubby went down. cus if he has money, HE SHOULD PAY US FIRST. my reno ACTUALLY started way back in June. first payment receipt dated 09 June 2009!

So is that being the fairest of all? If I was to pass the remaining amount to you, will others got to know about it will said me?

AND PLEASE STATE CLEARLY WHAT DO U MEAN BY:

"The intention/motive was clear when he asked Mr seashell to appear on our meeting place, why fini, why jess or the rest of the victims he didn't asked."

At least 5 victims that I knew of didn't know his new hp no. including me but Seashell u knew it before us. Why is it so that AS will let you know and not to some of the house owners or maybe the rest? I'm not referring you that u r related to him but have you ever wonder why is it so? He is **** not happy that he won't be collecting the remaining left over amount lor.

PLEASE KINDLY EXPLAIN???????

police? did ah soon run away? did he say he doesn't want to do? he says, wait. is this a CRIME?

i am quite puzzled why u need me to show u case number? i don't even know who r u??

records? of course.

AS promise to pay me back in instalments.

well alot of people already sue him, fact is, he no money...

so assuming he goes to jail now, he will not have a chance to work n repay us.

i just can't understand why so many people keep saying police n case. CASE IS A WASTE OF TIME. PLEASE. especially for AS Case. only going to small claims may help a little, bcus it makes it legal that AS owes us money.

fyi, i am not feeling uncomfortable with your questions. but i feel, you are asking too much DETAILS - especially u are not even one of AS victimes. u should focus on your reno ....

Hi Seashelll,

CASE may or may not be effective. I have no first-hand experience, hence that will be an open answer.

However, I am very sure of one thing - If you dun raise to CASE, making a police record or making a small-court tribunal claim; It's confirm USELESS.

You reap what you sow.

Yes, you are very correct and hit my spot - I should concentrate on my renovation. Jaskel has been delaying my job as he is over zealous with Uncle Soon's matter. I need to call him more frequent and urged him more. Lunar New Year is coming soon, I definitely not looking forward to be affected by Uncle Soon ripple effect.

Good Luck.