talking about mrs mckenic, i'd really have to take my hats off

it's so powerful :P

my stove was badly stained due to food stains left uncleaned

tried means and way to remove it but can't

sprayed the tile cleaner and wait for a min, wipe and the stains are gone

really worth the price

Err... hopefully i dun need to use it?

To Mace,

Okok, kinda get it. Hmm...

Please help comment on Ho Bee's quote. My place is a 4NG 92sqm flat in AMK.

General Works

Hack off existing kitchen & 2 toilets floor tiles $350

Hack off existing kitchen & 2 toilets wall tiles $700

Hack off existing living, dining & store floor tiles $480

Hack off existing 3 bedroom ceramic skirting $120

Discard existing kitchen cabinet & clear off site $180

Supply sand & haulage material to doorstep $650

Clear debris $150

Acid washing X 2 times $150

Masonary Works

Apply 3 layer waterproofing - kitchen & 2 toilet floors $300

Supply & lay kitchen ceramic/homo floor tiles $800

Supply & lay 2 toilets ceramic/homo floor tiles $800

Supply & install s/steel rubbish chute $180

Construct kitchen cabinet base $180

Construct fridge & washing machine base $180

Supply & lay kitchen ceramic wall tiles till ceiling height $2,600

Supply & lay 2 toilets ceramic wall tiles till ceiling height $2,400

Patch up & make good 3 bedrooms skirting area $120

Supply & lay living, dining & store - 600mmX600mm homo floor tiles c/w skirting $2,200

Plumbing works

Rerun whole unit cold water copper piping $580

Labor fee to install sink in/outlet piping $120

Labor fee to install washing mach in/outlet piping $80

Labor fee to install 2 set instant water heater $120

Alter squatting to sitting sewage pipe line $150

Labor fee to install 2 set WC bowl $180

Labor fee to install 2 set wash basin $120

Labor fee to install 2 nos spray tap $60

Labor fee to install 2 set toilet accessories $60

Fibre Board & Plastering Works

Construct living/dining 9mm thickness fibre board ceiling $750

Plastering whole unit wall & ceiling $1,550

Painting Works

Supply & paint 1 layer Nippon Vinilex Oil base sealer whole unit $350

Supply & paint 2-3 coats (ICI/NIPPON) emulsion paint whole unit $1,250

Supply & paint whole unit door frame & piping in gloss paint $150

Alum & Door Works

Fabricate & install 2 toilet adjustable lovure $400

Fabricate & install 2 top track alum bi-fold toilet door $520

Fabricate & install WPC alum casement window whole unit c/w blue tinted glass $2,600

Fabricate & install WPC alum grilles whole unit $900

Supply & install 4 pcs solid timber flush doors (Veneer) c/w lockset & stopper $1,400

Fabricate & install wrought iron main gate $420

Carpentry Works

Fabricate top & bottom 28ft laminate kitchen cabinet c/w ABC trimming,

handles,s/steel dish tray & 2 panel frosted glass $2,800

Supply & install 16ft solid surface kitchen worktop $1,280

Supply/Install 900mmX700mm s/stell backing $180

Fabricate/Install MBR 7ft FH laminate casement door wardrobe $1,400

Fabricate/Install bedroom 1 6ft FH laminate casement door wardrobe $1,200

Fabricate/supply bedroom 1 5ft laminate study table $700

Fabricate/supply bedoom 1 5ft mount cabinet $500

Supply/lay parquet flooring on 3 bedrooms $2,800

TOTAL = $35,160 less discount $160

NETT PRICE = $35,000

Have not even include electrical works yet. Estimated $1,500.

Thks for everyone's feedback.

Hey, when are you going to start your reno? Heard Patrick not able to start until CNY.

Hey, when are you going to start your reno? Heard Patrick not able to start until CNY.

Hi

Ive told Patrick that our reno can begin AFTER CNY.

Cheers

Hi

Ive told Patrick that our reno can begin AFTER CNY.

Cheers

Can someone please explain if kitchen concrete support for stove and sink is constructed with hollow blocks?

In my quote an item is stated as

Construct 9.5 Ft Concrete support using hollow block and iron rod finishing

Can someone please explain if kitchen concrete support for stove and sink is constructed with hollow blocks?

In my quote an item is stated as

Construct 9.5 Ft Concrete support using hollow block and iron rod finishing

Is not hollow block. Build with cement and usually 50mm thick. Ho bee quote you this?

Is not hollow block. Build with cement and usually 50mm thick. Ho bee quote you this?

Yup it is written as hollow block. Ho Bee quoted me $800 for mine

My quote from Ho Bee was about 10-20% higher then Ideal House. Our impression of both from Ideal and HoBee was quite good. But Patrick just has a slight edge cause he seem to give us the impression he is very experienced . Now we big headache

Heres my quote from Ho Bee. Any comments where I can bargain with Patrick to reduce it

General Works

Apply HDB permit fee NA

Remove existing kitchen cabinet and clear off site $180.00

Remove existing master room wardrobe and clear off site $180.00

Remove existing living room TV console $80.00

Hack off existing kitchen and 2 toilets floor tiles $300.00

Hack off existing kitchen and 2 toilets wall tiles $700.00

Hack off existing living,dining,balcony,store,study and 3 bedrooms $750.00

floor tiles

Hack off existing balcony wall tiles

Discard existing kitchen and 2 toilets sanitary fitting $100.00

Remove exisiting foyer, living, dining and balcony simple cornice $120.00

Supply sand and haulage material to door step $800.00

Clear debris off site $150.00

Acid washing 2 times for whole unit $150.00

Mansonary Works

Apply 3 layer waterproofing treatment for kitchen and 2 toilets flooring $300.00

Apply 3 layer waterproofing treatment for balcony flooring $100.00

Supply and lay ceramic/matt homogeneous tiles for 2 toilets flooring $800.00

Supply and lay ceramic/matt homogeneous tiles for kitchen flooring $800.00

Supply and lay ceramic/matt homogeneous tiles for balcony flooring $580.00

Apply cement screeding and cement smooth balcony wall $350.00

Supply and install s/steel refuse chute $180.00

Construct 50mm high kitchen cabinet base $180.00

Construct 50mm high fridge and washing machine base $180.00

Construct both toilet shower kerd $180.00

Construct sink support c/w 63mm hollow block wall $750.00

Supply and lay 2 toilets ceramic wall tiles till ceiling high $2,800.00

Supply and lay kitchen ceramic wall tiles till ceiling high $2,800.00

Supply and lay 600mm x 600mm homogeneous tiles c/w skirting for $6,800.00

living,dining,store,study and 3 bedrooms flooring

Plumbing Works

Rerun whole unit hot and cold water copper piping $900.00

Labour fee to install sink in/outlet piping $120.00

Labour fee to install washing machine in/outlet piping $80.00

Labour fee to install City Gas water heater in/outlet piping $80.00

Labour fee to install 2 set Wc bowl $180.00

Labour fee to install 2 set Wash basin $120.00

Labour fee to install 2 nos spray tap $60.00

Labour fee to install 2 set toilets accessories $60.00

Fibre Board Works

Seal up existing store and 3 bedroom doors lovures $160.00

Seal up exisiting master and bedroom 3 push out window $50.00

Supply and install foyer, living and dining simple cornice $280.00

Painting Works

Apply 1 layer Nippon Vinilex oil base sealer for whole unit ceiling $300.00

Supply and paint 2-3 coats Nippon or ICI emulsion paint (5 + 1 Colours) $1,550.00

for whole unit wall and ceiling

Supply and paint whole unit door frame and all piping in gloss paint $150.00

Revarnish 5 pcs store and bedrooms solid Nayoh doors $250.00

Alum and Shower Screen

Fabricate and install 2 set adjustable lovures windows $400.00

Fabricate and install 2 set top track alum bi-fold door $520.00

Fabricate and install kitchen (NA/BA/BL) alum casement windows $420.00

Fabricate and install kitchen (NA/BA/BL) alum grilles $150.00

Fabricate and install kitchen entrance alum top track sliding door $260.00

Fabricate and install master toilet 10mm clear tempered frameless $400.00

shower screen

Carpentary Works

Fabricate and install top and bottom 30ft laminate kitchen cabinet c/w $2,850.00

ABS trimming,handles,drawer,s/steel dish tary 2 glass panel

Supply and install 15ft solid surface kitchen cabinet $1,050.00

Fabricate and install master room 7ft full height laminate casement $1,330.00

door wardrobe

Labour fee to install main door lockset FOC

Rerun whole unit hot and cold water copper piping $900.00

if change to stainlesssteel - can be cheaper.

the rest are quite standard....btw do you know that acessories/handyjob like drilling holes, hang paintings...hobee dont charge? secondly, it is a well known fact that if there is any defects 3-6mths down the road, one phone call is all you need to get it done, unlike others who play tai chi act busy and give you 100001 excuses.

Rerun whole unit hot and cold water copper piping $900.00

if change to stainlesssteel - can be cheaper.

the rest are quite standard....btw do you know that acessories/handyjob like drilling holes, hang paintings...hobee dont charge? secondly, it is a well known fact that if there is any defects 3-6mths down the road, one phone call is all you need to get it done, unlike others who play tai chi act busy and give you 100001 excuses.

But is stainless steel workable? What's the difference among using either of them, except the pricing?

Yup it is written as hollow block. Ho Bee quoted me $800 for mine

My quote from Ho Bee was about 10-20% higher then Ideal House. Our impression of both from Ideal and HoBee was quite good. But Patrick just has a slight edge cause he seem to give us the impression he is very experienced . Now we big headache

Heres my quote from Ho Bee. Any comments where I can bargain with Patrick to reduce it

General Works

Apply HDB permit fee NA

Remove existing kitchen cabinet and clear off site $180.00

Remove existing master room wardrobe and clear off site $180.00

Remove existing living room TV console $80.00

Hack off existing kitchen and 2 toilets floor tiles $300.00

Hack off existing kitchen and 2 toilets wall tiles $700.00

Hack off existing living,dining,balcony,store,study and 3 bedrooms $750.00

floor tiles

Hack off existing balcony wall tiles

Discard existing kitchen and 2 toilets sanitary fitting $100.00

Remove exisiting foyer, living, dining and balcony simple cornice $120.00

Supply sand and haulage material to door step $800.00

Clear debris off site $150.00

Acid washing 2 times for whole unit $150.00

Mansonary Works

Apply 3 layer waterproofing treatment for kitchen and 2 toilets flooring $300.00

Apply 3 layer waterproofing treatment for balcony flooring $100.00

Supply and lay ceramic/matt homogeneous tiles for 2 toilets flooring $800.00

Supply and lay ceramic/matt homogeneous tiles for kitchen flooring $800.00

Supply and lay ceramic/matt homogeneous tiles for balcony flooring $580.00

Apply cement screeding and cement smooth balcony wall $350.00

Supply and install s/steel refuse chute $180.00

Construct 50mm high kitchen cabinet base $180.00

Construct 50mm high fridge and washing machine base $180.00

Construct both toilet shower kerd $180.00

Construct sink support c/w 63mm hollow block wall $750.00

Supply and lay 2 toilets ceramic wall tiles till ceiling high $2,800.00

Supply and lay kitchen ceramic wall tiles till ceiling high $2,800.00

Supply and lay 600mm x 600mm homogeneous tiles c/w skirting for $6,800.00

living,dining,store,study and 3 bedrooms flooring

Plumbing Works

Rerun whole unit hot and cold water copper piping $900.00

Labour fee to install sink in/outlet piping $120.00

Labour fee to install washing machine in/outlet piping $80.00

Labour fee to install City Gas water heater in/outlet piping $80.00

Labour fee to install 2 set Wc bowl $180.00

Labour fee to install 2 set Wash basin $120.00

Labour fee to install 2 nos spray tap $60.00

Labour fee to install 2 set toilets accessories $60.00

Fibre Board Works

Seal up existing store and 3 bedroom doors lovures $160.00

Seal up exisiting master and bedroom 3 push out window $50.00

Supply and install foyer, living and dining simple cornice $280.00

Painting Works

Apply 1 layer Nippon Vinilex oil base sealer for whole unit ceiling $300.00

Supply and paint 2-3 coats Nippon or ICI emulsion paint (5 + 1 Colours) $1,550.00

for whole unit wall and ceiling

Supply and paint whole unit door frame and all piping in gloss paint $150.00

Revarnish 5 pcs store and bedrooms solid Nayoh doors $250.00

Alum and Shower Screen

Fabricate and install 2 set adjustable lovures windows $400.00

Fabricate and install 2 set top track alum bi-fold door $520.00

Fabricate and install kitchen (NA/BA/BL) alum casement windows $420.00

Fabricate and install kitchen (NA/BA/BL) alum grilles $150.00

Fabricate and install kitchen entrance alum top track sliding door $260.00

Fabricate and install master toilet 10mm clear tempered frameless $400.00

shower screen

Carpentary Works

Fabricate and install top and bottom 30ft laminate kitchen cabinet c/w $2,850.00

ABS trimming,handles,drawer,s/steel dish tary 2 glass panel

Supply and install 15ft solid surface kitchen cabinet $1,050.00

Fabricate and install master room 7ft full height laminate casement $1,330.00

door wardrobe

Labour fee to install main door lockset FOC

Is this your 1st quote? Have you met up with him. Btw, when do you plan to start your reno. Heard Ho bee can only start after CNY.

Hi

May I know why "Construct sink support c/w 63mm hollow block wall $750.00" is required?

Can do without or not? Is it req'd only for heavy sinks like granite ones??

Is not hollow block. Build with cement and usually 50mm thick. Ho bee quote you this?

Hi

May I know why "Construct sink support c/w 63mm hollow block wall $750.00" is required?

Can do without or not? Is it req'd only for heavy sinks like granite ones??

I think it is not required more like a preference . Most people these days dont use solid sink support, ecept for those who do heavy cooking with lots of chopping and banging at the sink .

For me because my resale unit was an old one and had no service balcony, we turn our sink around to make one. So the back wall of the sink support faces the service balcony which would be quite wet. If i use normal laminate , I worry the constant wet dripping from the laundry would damage the laminate easily , so we decided to build a solid sink support

Hi Kajua

Thanks alot! U've enlightened me. I had no idea that "sink support" existed until I read your posting.

another thing to consider

if you 'suay suay' kenna water pipe burst under the sink, then wooden cabinets will be gone

that's why concrete sink support are usually recommended for wet area

not to mention the support it offers if you want to do some chopping :jawdrop:

But is stainless steel workable? What's the difference among using either of them, except the pricing?

heard copper is much better when you have hot water, might have some other advantages.

but now many are using stainlesssteel.

heard copper is much better when you have hot water, might have some other advantages.

but now many are using stainlesssteel.

but in many quotes I see copper (cold). Is there a separete one for hot water. What does this cold mean?

Can anyonle please explain.

I have one more question about carpentry? Is it advisable to go to factory directly rather than going through the contractor for kitchen cabinets, bedroom wardrobes.

Thanks