skywolf 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 talking about mrs mckenic, i'd really have to take my hats offit's so powerful :Pmy stove was badly stained due to food stains left uncleanedtried means and way to remove it but can'tsprayed the tile cleaner and wait for a min, wipe and the stains are gonereally worth the price Err... hopefully i dun need to use it? To Mace,Okok, kinda get it. Hmm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vowsh 1 Report post Posted December 14, 2007 Please help comment on Ho Bee's quote. My place is a 4NG 92sqm flat in AMK.General WorksHack off existing kitchen & 2 toilets floor tiles $350Hack off existing kitchen & 2 toilets wall tiles $700Hack off existing living, dining & store floor tiles $480Hack off existing 3 bedroom ceramic skirting $120Discard existing kitchen cabinet & clear off site $180Supply sand & haulage material to doorstep $650Clear debris $150Acid washing X 2 times $150Masonary WorksApply 3 layer waterproofing - kitchen & 2 toilet floors $300Supply & lay kitchen ceramic/homo floor tiles $800Supply & lay 2 toilets ceramic/homo floor tiles $800Supply & install s/steel rubbish chute $180Construct kitchen cabinet base $180Construct fridge & washing machine base $180Supply & lay kitchen ceramic wall tiles till ceiling height $2,600Supply & lay 2 toilets ceramic wall tiles till ceiling height $2,400Patch up & make good 3 bedrooms skirting area $120Supply & lay living, dining & store - 600mmX600mm homo floor tiles c/w skirting $2,200Plumbing worksRerun whole unit cold water copper piping $580Labor fee to install sink in/outlet piping $120Labor fee to install washing mach in/outlet piping $80Labor fee to install 2 set instant water heater $120Alter squatting to sitting sewage pipe line $150Labor fee to install 2 set WC bowl $180Labor fee to install 2 set wash basin $120Labor fee to install 2 nos spray tap $60Labor fee to install 2 set toilet accessories $60Fibre Board & Plastering WorksConstruct living/dining 9mm thickness fibre board ceiling $750Plastering whole unit wall & ceiling $1,550Painting WorksSupply & paint 1 layer Nippon Vinilex Oil base sealer whole unit $350Supply & paint 2-3 coats (ICI/NIPPON) emulsion paint whole unit $1,250Supply & paint whole unit door frame & piping in gloss paint $150Alum & Door WorksFabricate & install 2 toilet adjustable lovure $400Fabricate & install 2 top track alum bi-fold toilet door $520Fabricate & install WPC alum casement window whole unit c/w blue tinted glass $2,600Fabricate & install WPC alum grilles whole unit $900Supply & install 4 pcs solid timber flush doors (Veneer) c/w lockset & stopper $1,400Fabricate & install wrought iron main gate $420Carpentry WorksFabricate top & bottom 28ft laminate kitchen cabinet c/w ABC trimming,handles,s/steel dish tray & 2 panel frosted glass $2,800Supply & install 16ft solid surface kitchen worktop $1,280Supply/Install 900mmX700mm s/stell backing $180Fabricate/Install MBR 7ft FH laminate casement door wardrobe $1,400Fabricate/Install bedroom 1 6ft FH laminate casement door wardrobe $1,200Fabricate/supply bedroom 1 5ft laminate study table $700Fabricate/supply bedoom 1 5ft mount cabinet $500Supply/lay parquet flooring on 3 bedrooms $2,800TOTAL = $35,160 less discount $160NETT PRICE = $35,000Have not even include electrical works yet. Estimated $1,500.Thks for everyone's feedback.Hey, when are you going to start your reno? Heard Patrick not able to start until CNY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vicenzo70 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2007 Hey, when are you going to start your reno? Heard Patrick not able to start until CNY.HiIve told Patrick that our reno can begin AFTER CNY. Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ukonudula 0 Report post Posted December 15, 2007 HiIve told Patrick that our reno can begin AFTER CNY. CheersCan someone please explain if kitchen concrete support for stove and sink is constructed with hollow blocks?In my quote an item is stated as Construct 9.5 Ft Concrete support using hollow block and iron rod finishing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vowsh 1 Report post Posted December 16, 2007 Can someone please explain if kitchen concrete support for stove and sink is constructed with hollow blocks?In my quote an item is stated as Construct 9.5 Ft Concrete support using hollow block and iron rod finishingIs not hollow block. Build with cement and usually 50mm thick. Ho bee quote you this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kajua 1 Report post Posted December 16, 2007 Is not hollow block. Build with cement and usually 50mm thick. Ho bee quote you this?Yup it is written as hollow block. Ho Bee quoted me $800 for mineMy quote from Ho Bee was about 10-20% higher then Ideal House. Our impression of both from Ideal and HoBee was quite good. But Patrick just has a slight edge cause he seem to give us the impression he is very experienced . Now we big headache Heres my quote from Ho Bee. Any comments where I can bargain with Patrick to reduce it General Works Apply HDB permit fee NA Remove existing kitchen cabinet and clear off site $180.00 Remove existing master room wardrobe and clear off site $180.00 Remove existing living room TV console $80.00 Hack off existing kitchen and 2 toilets floor tiles $300.00 Hack off existing kitchen and 2 toilets wall tiles $700.00 Hack off existing living,dining,balcony,store,study and 3 bedrooms $750.00 floor tiles Hack off existing balcony wall tiles Discard existing kitchen and 2 toilets sanitary fitting $100.00 Remove exisiting foyer, living, dining and balcony simple cornice $120.00 Supply sand and haulage material to door step $800.00 Clear debris off site $150.00 Acid washing 2 times for whole unit $150.00 Mansonary Works Apply 3 layer waterproofing treatment for kitchen and 2 toilets flooring $300.00 Apply 3 layer waterproofing treatment for balcony flooring $100.00 Supply and lay ceramic/matt homogeneous tiles for 2 toilets flooring $800.00 Supply and lay ceramic/matt homogeneous tiles for kitchen flooring $800.00 Supply and lay ceramic/matt homogeneous tiles for balcony flooring $580.00 Apply cement screeding and cement smooth balcony wall $350.00 Supply and install s/steel refuse chute $180.00 Construct 50mm high kitchen cabinet base $180.00 Construct 50mm high fridge and washing machine base $180.00 Construct both toilet shower kerd $180.00 Construct sink support c/w 63mm hollow block wall $750.00 Supply and lay 2 toilets ceramic wall tiles till ceiling high $2,800.00 Supply and lay kitchen ceramic wall tiles till ceiling high $2,800.00 Supply and lay 600mm x 600mm homogeneous tiles c/w skirting for $6,800.00 living,dining,store,study and 3 bedrooms flooring Plumbing Works Rerun whole unit hot and cold water copper piping $900.00 Labour fee to install sink in/outlet piping $120.00 Labour fee to install washing machine in/outlet piping $80.00 Labour fee to install City Gas water heater in/outlet piping $80.00 Labour fee to install 2 set Wc bowl $180.00 Labour fee to install 2 set Wash basin $120.00 Labour fee to install 2 nos spray tap $60.00 Labour fee to install 2 set toilets accessories $60.00 Fibre Board Works Seal up existing store and 3 bedroom doors lovures $160.00 Seal up exisiting master and bedroom 3 push out window $50.00 Supply and install foyer, living and dining simple cornice $280.00 Painting Works Apply 1 layer Nippon Vinilex oil base sealer for whole unit ceiling $300.00 Supply and paint 2-3 coats Nippon or ICI emulsion paint (5 + 1 Colours) $1,550.00 for whole unit wall and ceiling Supply and paint whole unit door frame and all piping in gloss paint $150.00 Revarnish 5 pcs store and bedrooms solid Nayoh doors $250.00 Alum and Shower Screen Fabricate and install 2 set adjustable lovures windows $400.00 Fabricate and install 2 set top track alum bi-fold door $520.00 Fabricate and install kitchen (NA/BA/BL) alum casement windows $420.00 Fabricate and install kitchen (NA/BA/BL) alum grilles $150.00 Fabricate and install kitchen entrance alum top track sliding door $260.00 Fabricate and install master toilet 10mm clear tempered frameless $400.00 shower screen Carpentary Works Fabricate and install top and bottom 30ft laminate kitchen cabinet c/w $2,850.00 ABS trimming,handles,drawer,s/steel dish tary 2 glass panel Supply and install 15ft solid surface kitchen cabinet $1,050.00 Fabricate and install master room 7ft full height laminate casement $1,330.00 door wardrobe Labour fee to install main door lockset FOC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaCe 3 Report post Posted December 16, 2007 Rerun whole unit hot and cold water copper piping $900.00if change to stainlesssteel - can be cheaper.the rest are quite standard....btw do you know that acessories/handyjob like drilling holes, hang paintings...hobee dont charge? secondly, it is a well known fact that if there is any defects 3-6mths down the road, one phone call is all you need to get it done, unlike others who play tai chi act busy and give you 100001 excuses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skywolf 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2007 Rerun whole unit hot and cold water copper piping $900.00if change to stainlesssteel - can be cheaper.the rest are quite standard....btw do you know that acessories/handyjob like drilling holes, hang paintings...hobee dont charge? secondly, it is a well known fact that if there is any defects 3-6mths down the road, one phone call is all you need to get it done, unlike others who play tai chi act busy and give you 100001 excuses.But is stainless steel workable? What's the difference among using either of them, except the pricing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vowsh 1 Report post Posted December 16, 2007 Yup it is written as hollow block. Ho Bee quoted me $800 for mineMy quote from Ho Bee was about 10-20% higher then Ideal House. Our impression of both from Ideal and HoBee was quite good. But Patrick just has a slight edge cause he seem to give us the impression he is very experienced . Now we big headache Heres my quote from Ho Bee. Any comments where I can bargain with Patrick to reduce it General Works Apply HDB permit fee NA Remove existing kitchen cabinet and clear off site $180.00 Remove existing master room wardrobe and clear off site $180.00 Remove existing living room TV console $80.00 Hack off existing kitchen and 2 toilets floor tiles $300.00 Hack off existing kitchen and 2 toilets wall tiles $700.00 Hack off existing living,dining,balcony,store,study and 3 bedrooms $750.00 floor tiles Hack off existing balcony wall tiles Discard existing kitchen and 2 toilets sanitary fitting $100.00 Remove exisiting foyer, living, dining and balcony simple cornice $120.00 Supply sand and haulage material to door step $800.00 Clear debris off site $150.00 Acid washing 2 times for whole unit $150.00 Mansonary Works Apply 3 layer waterproofing treatment for kitchen and 2 toilets flooring $300.00 Apply 3 layer waterproofing treatment for balcony flooring $100.00 Supply and lay ceramic/matt homogeneous tiles for 2 toilets flooring $800.00 Supply and lay ceramic/matt homogeneous tiles for kitchen flooring $800.00 Supply and lay ceramic/matt homogeneous tiles for balcony flooring $580.00 Apply cement screeding and cement smooth balcony wall $350.00 Supply and install s/steel refuse chute $180.00 Construct 50mm high kitchen cabinet base $180.00 Construct 50mm high fridge and washing machine base $180.00 Construct both toilet shower kerd $180.00 Construct sink support c/w 63mm hollow block wall $750.00 Supply and lay 2 toilets ceramic wall tiles till ceiling high $2,800.00 Supply and lay kitchen ceramic wall tiles till ceiling high $2,800.00 Supply and lay 600mm x 600mm homogeneous tiles c/w skirting for $6,800.00 living,dining,store,study and 3 bedrooms flooring Plumbing Works Rerun whole unit hot and cold water copper piping $900.00 Labour fee to install sink in/outlet piping $120.00 Labour fee to install washing machine in/outlet piping $80.00 Labour fee to install City Gas water heater in/outlet piping $80.00 Labour fee to install 2 set Wc bowl $180.00 Labour fee to install 2 set Wash basin $120.00 Labour fee to install 2 nos spray tap $60.00 Labour fee to install 2 set toilets accessories $60.00 Fibre Board Works Seal up existing store and 3 bedroom doors lovures $160.00 Seal up exisiting master and bedroom 3 push out window $50.00 Supply and install foyer, living and dining simple cornice $280.00 Painting Works Apply 1 layer Nippon Vinilex oil base sealer for whole unit ceiling $300.00 Supply and paint 2-3 coats Nippon or ICI emulsion paint (5 + 1 Colours) $1,550.00 for whole unit wall and ceiling Supply and paint whole unit door frame and all piping in gloss paint $150.00 Revarnish 5 pcs store and bedrooms solid Nayoh doors $250.00 Alum and Shower Screen Fabricate and install 2 set adjustable lovures windows $400.00 Fabricate and install 2 set top track alum bi-fold door $520.00 Fabricate and install kitchen (NA/BA/BL) alum casement windows $420.00 Fabricate and install kitchen (NA/BA/BL) alum grilles $150.00 Fabricate and install kitchen entrance alum top track sliding door $260.00 Fabricate and install master toilet 10mm clear tempered frameless $400.00 shower screen Carpentary Works Fabricate and install top and bottom 30ft laminate kitchen cabinet c/w $2,850.00 ABS trimming,handles,drawer,s/steel dish tary 2 glass panel Supply and install 15ft solid surface kitchen cabinet $1,050.00 Fabricate and install master room 7ft full height laminate casement $1,330.00 door wardrobe Labour fee to install main door lockset FOCIs this your 1st quote? Have you met up with him. Btw, when do you plan to start your reno. Heard Ho bee can only start after CNY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouiseBrown 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2007 HiMay I know why "Construct sink support c/w 63mm hollow block wall $750.00" is required?Can do without or not? Is it req'd only for heavy sinks like granite ones??Is not hollow block. Build with cement and usually 50mm thick. Ho bee quote you this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kajua 1 Report post Posted December 16, 2007 HiMay I know why "Construct sink support c/w 63mm hollow block wall $750.00" is required?Can do without or not? Is it req'd only for heavy sinks like granite ones??I think it is not required more like a preference . Most people these days dont use solid sink support, ecept for those who do heavy cooking with lots of chopping and banging at the sink .For me because my resale unit was an old one and had no service balcony, we turn our sink around to make one. So the back wall of the sink support faces the service balcony which would be quite wet. If i use normal laminate , I worry the constant wet dripping from the laundry would damage the laminate easily , so we decided to build a solid sink support Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouiseBrown 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2007 Hi KajuaThanks alot! U've enlightened me. I had no idea that "sink support" existed until I read your posting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
applefreak 1 Report post Posted December 17, 2007 another thing to considerif you 'suay suay' kenna water pipe burst under the sink, then wooden cabinets will be gone that's why concrete sink support are usually recommended for wet areanot to mention the support it offers if you want to do some chopping :jawdrop: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaCe 3 Report post Posted December 17, 2007 But is stainless steel workable? What's the difference among using either of them, except the pricing?heard copper is much better when you have hot water, might have some other advantages.but now many are using stainlesssteel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ukonudula 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2007 heard copper is much better when you have hot water, might have some other advantages.but now many are using stainlesssteel.but in many quotes I see copper (cold). Is there a separete one for hot water. What does this cold mean?Can anyonle please explain.I have one more question about carpentry? Is it advisable to go to factory directly rather than going through the contractor for kitchen cabinets, bedroom wardrobes.Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
